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Bill: Beluzian Crisis
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4312
Description[?]:
| A debate on the current unrest in Beluzia, involving discussion on the possibility of Alorian intervention in Beluzia. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:50:39, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | President Gerald Wehnert's Address to the Senate: I have been in discussions with the Beluzian Prime Minister, Elena Harrison. It is clear the NOU are intent on imposing their vision of an authoritarian regime on Beluzia. They have killed innocent people, including their political allies. The current president is not fit for office, and I believe it is our duty to contribute to the preservation of peace in Artania. That is why I think it is vital we act immediately to diffuse tensions, and pave the way for a safer Beluzia. There are many options on the table, including the possibility of military intervention. While I do not take the decision to talk about military intervention in a foreign country lightly, it may be our best option. This is Aloria's opportunity to help preserve peace, and sometimes the best way to do that is through a show of military strength. |
| Date | 14:18:09, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | "We feel strongly that we should not involve ourselves militarily in Beluzia, however we are ready for a diplomatic solution. Peace through strength is a ridiculous doctrine and the best thing we can do as a nation is help the Beluzians to avoid war. If it is not necessary to intervene, then we shouldn't. It is also important that the President speaks with the NOU as well, because there is a chance both sides are at fault." Finn Lauterbach |
| Date | 14:35:04, October 29, 2017 CET | From | United Party | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | “Hello if I may I would like to address the Senate of Aloria concerning the events in Beluzia.” John Fredrickson Former President of Beluzia. |
| Date | 16:12:19, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | I welcome all parties from Beluzia to contribute to this debate. Of course, Mr Lauterbach, we want to avoid war. However, we should not take the option of military intervention off the table, and I think your suggestion that peace through strength is a "ridiculous doctrine" a ludicrous statement. I see it is also your party who want to drastically cut our defence budget at a time of escalating tensions in Artania. I think the DSU is a danger to our national security. I have contacted the NOU and I am awaiting a response, but right now it is clear that the NOU's actions have been horrific and, as president of an ally country, I won't stand by and let that continue. Gerald Wehnert President of Aloria |
| Date | 16:52:21, October 29, 2017 CET | From | United Party | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | “Thank you Mr. President for allowing us to speak here, my name is John Fredrickson I was President of the Republic of Beluzia at one point in its history, and have for many years been chairman of a political party in Beluzia called the United Party. The National Opposition Union was founded in the late 4280s the date I have forgotten by Dr. Wewecho. Upon its foundation the doctor used the party to make actions of his past legal, and in Congress admitted to several crimes of which he was later convicted for life, and yet ignored the charges and penalties. Under his term as President he began attempting to pass laws to limit our free speech and at one point called for a shooting on the National Congress of Beluzia, which was perpetrated by the army resulting in the death of 30 MPs. The NOU also attempted to plant evidence of fake crimes against opposition party leaders including me and Prime Minister Harrison, going so far to claim I owned a mansion filled with criminal activity in Bailon the lone state controlled by the NOU, despite the public knowledge of my residence in Negunia. Eventually the army would overthrow him and seize power for themselves and in order to “maintain order” as they called it they began pushing for the suppression of peaceful protests, and eventually threatened to kill MPs who voted against their bills. In Fort Thorne 20,000 peaceful citizens protested and out of that 20,000, 3,000 where killed by the army and illegally armed Regional police forces, illegally armed as Beluzian police are only armed with non lethal weapons. It is my honest belief that the “police” where actually once again illegally armed paramilitary troops. We ask that in case of civil war, in case the junta establishes a military dictatorship, we request assistance in defending the Republic. Thank you for your time.” John Fredrickson Former President of Beluzia Chairman of United Party. |
| Date | 16:55:13, October 29, 2017 CET | From | United Party | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | “They have also threatened to use chemical weapons to “maintain order”.” |
| Date | 17:18:28, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | It is not the general policy of this government to intervene abroad, but isn't some far off Majatran crisis we are talking about. This is a tin-pot dictatorship setting itself up on our continent, threatening to use chemical weapons on its own people. This regime is a threat to the very peace of Artania. We need to consider every option for responding to this threat. Aloria should be a beacon for democracies around the world. Our love of democracy at home should extend to abroad. George Llewellyn Prif Weinidog (Prime Minister) of Aloria |
| Date | 17:36:40, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | I would like to address the President's concerns about our party. We are not a threat to national security, you are. We want to increase police funding to stop crime in this country, you want to waste money on a war which could see violence brought to our own citizens. And bringing in your comment about peace through strength, true peace can only happen when we all agree to lay down our weapons not when we point them at each other. War helps no one, we can't have war. I urge the government to reconsider military intervention and put all of its resources into finding diplomacy. Finn Lauterbach Leader of the DSU. |
| Date | 18:34:05, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | The DSU is living in some kind of fantasy land! Do they actually believe it is possible that every nation will lay down their weapons? Of course, it would be brilliant if that did happen - we want that to happen. But the truth is it will not happen because, unfortunately, there are poeple like the president of Beluzia in powerful positions. This is why we think the DSU is a danger to national security. If the DSU were in power, it could potentially lead to devastation. I have talked to the president of Beluzia, and he told me his party won the election fairly. I will read out the words of the president now: "The National Opposition Union won the election fair and square! But the other parties won't recognize it and do everything to stop me from governing! They say that I rigged the vote, clamped down on protesters, and ousted the former president that was from my own party!" Gerald Wehnert President of Aloria |
| Date | 18:52:09, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | "The President seems to have his head shoved firmly up his ..." *laughter from DSU caucus interrupts insult |
| Date | 23:27:37, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | Here in the Libertarian Party we don't make jokes. We just watch the DSU and report the facts - seems to get the same reaction! Gerald Wehnert President of Aloria |
| Date | 23:35:54, October 29, 2017 CET | From | United Party | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | “Quick question is this how this tends to go? Or is this problem only erupting because of this debate?” |
| Date | 23:42:32, October 29, 2017 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | "It just shows we have very strong opinions and we are not afraid to show them!" |
| Date | 03:12:04, October 30, 2017 CET | From | United Party | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | “I was just worried that our crisis in Beluzia May have caused a rift in another nation which is not our goal at all.” |
| Date | 05:22:21, October 30, 2017 CET | From | Aloriuna Vulks Liga | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | "My fellows, if it is the will of this body to intervene in the war in Beluzia then I will have plans prepared to optimize our contribution and minimize casualties on our side. If the situation calls for it, I will personally command a legion of Alorian troops against the enemy." Reinhard Vogel Minister of Defense of Aloria |
| Date | 10:40:19, October 30, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | This debate has definitely highlighted tensions but they've always been there I think. Gerald Wehnert President of Aloria |
| Date | 01:51:48, October 31, 2017 CET | From | Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | Aloria's peaceful, internal debates are part of a healthy democracy. I think we all can agree this is what we want for Beluzia as well, despite our differences. George Llewellyn Prime Minister, Aloria |
| Date | 22:01:36, December 03, 2017 CET | From | Y Blaid Genedlaethol | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | "I think we should abstain from intervening in Beluzia, as it would move resources out of our country that we could use instead." |
| Date | 22:10:26, December 03, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Beluzian Crisis |
| Message | OOC: The situation in Beluzia is over. We gave them military aid a while ago and now they have a new government. I just put this to a vote so it doesn't stay in the list of bills being debated forever. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 379 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 166 |
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