We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: P.I. 4298 - Citzenship Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party (Liberale Parti)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4301
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Legality of multiple citizenship.
Old value:: Multiple citizenship is not allowed, the country's citizenship is exclusive.
Current: Multiple citizenship is allowed, but must be registered.
Proposed: Multiple citizenship is allowed without further regulations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:51:21, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the P.I. 4298 - Citzenship Act |
| Message | older We object to the proposition - not for chauvinistic, anti-liberal, but for rational technical reasons. There is no reason for making the concept of citizenship like being the member of a club. One person can be a member of several various clubs doing different things, the mc-club and the confectionary club etc all at the same time. But citizenship - if it is to mean anything but the mere symbolism - should mean that you are liable to pay the taxes and have a right to the benefits of your country, and being held accountable to its laws. Should a double citizenship mean that the holder would be obliged to pay income tax to both states? No, no-one would accept and choose that. Then we are left with citizenship being a mere symbolic (chauvinistic!) badge. We find it unnecessary to complicate our beauraucracy with keeping track of such "fan-club" diplomas. Let citizenship be a technical matter, not an emotional one. |
| Date | 18:58:44, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Liberale Parti) | To | Debating the P.I. 4298 - Citzenship Act |
| Message | People with multiple citizenship would pay taxes to the country of their residence. |
| Date | 21:23:08, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the P.I. 4298 - Citzenship Act |
| Message | People with multiple citizenship would pay taxes to the country of their residence. Yes, this is usually so, so presently there is no direct problem there. But it is still important to use good solid general principles. There might be other duties that clash, such as military service. More typical problems arise on the side of benefits. It might promote exploitation of multiple systems of social security. And when it comes to law, you might say that people will and shall be judged according to the laws where they were seized and convicted. Yes, but there are cases that become international, diplomatic cases. It is best to keep the lines clear regarding which jurisdiction a person ultimately belongs to. A citizen of Kazulia should always know that he may appeal to be extradited and judged according to Kazulian law if he is arrested in another country. If a person can collect several citizenships it gives him an unfair advantage, being able to commit a crime somewhere and then go for a pick of which country he wants to be judged by. -Thomas Ottosen (Kj) |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 14 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 103 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 76 |
| Random fact: Players are expected to behave in a courteous, co-operative manner and make a reasonable effort to act with the consent of all players involved, even where the rules do not make consent strictly necessary. In particular, players have a responsibility to take reasonable care that other players are not misinformed either about the role-play or the Game Rules. |
| Random quote: "Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." - Thomas Jefferson |