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Bill: Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach
Details
Submitted by[?]: Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4303
Description[?]:
As Justice Minister of Aloria, I hereby call into existence the Senatorial Committee to investigate the attempted assassination by lynch mob of President Henrik Melsbach. I am empowered to do this by the recently passed "Bill to Open Up Senatorial Inquiries into the Conspiracy to Assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach". I ask that each party's representative to the committee please make themselves known. We have reason to suspect that not only was there a conspiracy, but there may have been involvement from outside sources in this conspiracy. The Justice Ministry case against the accused conspirators is ongoing. Laurentius Cornelia Minister of Justice |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:46:07, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Union of Progressive Forces | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | Greetings to all. I am Wolf Frydech, the Deputy Leader of the UPF, I am a practicing lawyer. I would like to say that the former RSF had nothing to do with the April 4299 Coup attempt. Yes, there were RSF activists on the streets that fay but they were not in any way trying to fight with the police and lynch the President. I have to admit that Mrs. Alexia Rubenstein who is, actually, the main inspirator of this, Max Kopfer being her closest coup-enabler. She suggested that the RSF play an active role in the overthrow of Henril Melsbach but the Collective Executive Committe declined her offer. They said ti her this: 'We are aginst the President and the rulling cabinet but we do not think that they should fall by us literally killing them.' A few days after our response Max Kopfer came to our HQ and offered the same but added this: 'I promise you that there will be seats in a future Protest Cabinet. I assure you that this will be so successful that you won't be able to believe that you're notm dreaming. It will be absolutely great and glorious! On the same evening Melsbach's head will be put on a torch and we will march pointing it at the sky. We will march to Parlaiment with it.' He seriously believed that the coup will be successful. Wolf Fryderch, UPF Deputy Leader and lawyer |
| Date | 09:30:52, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | Honorable Wolf Fryderch, So, it is true, that the RSF leadership knew of a proposal to assassinate the President of Aloria and did not report this to authorities? Laurentius Cornelia Minister of Justice |
| Date | 11:21:03, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | I am Maredudd Rhydderch, Minister for Trade and Industry, and I will be the representative for the Libertarian Party. From Mr Frydech's statement, it is clear the RSF knew of an impending assassination attempt on the president. Despite having this information, they chose to let the attack go ahead without reporting it to the authorities. Why was this? Maredudd Rhydderch Trade & Industry Minister |
| Date | 18:46:25, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Union of Progressive Forces | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | Well, how could we know that Kopfer and Rubenstein were that capable of this? Everybody knows that no protest, even a civil war, can get to the President's residency or Parliament. It is simply impossible. And let me ask you something: If we were in power and if you knew that someone was planning a violent government overthrow, would you report them to the Police? No one would if they are in opposition. And another thing: are we obliged to report stuff like these? I don't think so but tell me how you see it. Wolf Fryderch, UPF Deputy Leader, lawyer |
| Date | 19:56:05, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | I will answer your first question first. I don't think it matters if you thought Kopfer and Rubenstein were capable of this. If there is event the smallest chances, it should have been reported. Secondly, of course we would report an attempted assassination attempt on a president, or anyone for that matter. It doesn't matter who they are, what party they're from or whether we're in opposition - we would 100% report it. You do bring up an important point about security though. The protesters should not have been able to get that close to the president, therefore I agree more needs to be done to protect our politicians on both sides. Maredudd Rhydderch Trade & Industry Minister |
| Date | 21:22:00, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | As the Minister of Justice, I am under the strong opinion that the RSF were grossly negligent in not reporting this. The "you would have done differently defense" is not an excuse for breaking the law. The seriousness of the threat, from prominent individuals no less, is real. As a member of this body, I formally request records of the RSF Collective Executive Committee meeting when the conspiracy to assassinate the President was brought up. We need to know what was said, the time, and who was there and would know. Furthermore, I think it is important we also look into possible outside involvement into the assassination, as rumored by various sources. Laurentius Cornelia Minister of Justice |
| Date | 22:06:34, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Union of Progressive Forces | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | Okay. Here are the recordings between the former RSF Collective Executive Council (CEC) and Max Kopfer (MK): CEC: Mr. Kopfer, you wanted to talk with us. Mr. Trifner said you had some suggestions which would be beneficial to us and all of the opposition. We are listening. MK: I suggest the RSF join a big protest we've been planning for a year and a half. It will be in April 2999. I and Mrs. Alexia Rubenstein have a plan - to storm the Presidential Residency and lynch Melsbach. CEC: We will join the protest but we won't be trying to 'storm the Residency and lynch Melsbach'. MK: Why not? It will be great. His head should be on a torch that same evening and we will be marching to Parliament with it. It would be aglorious revolution! CEC: That is simply unrealistic to say the least. MK: Why? We just need more fighters. I know people who know skinheads who will be more than willing to help and I think it would be agreat idea if your more radical activists join them. CEC: We are for a united protest movement of people from all political backgrounds but 'storming the Residency and lynching' is irrational. MK: Not if enough people are fighting. Neo-National Socialists, neo-fascists and radical socialists fighting side by sode against the common enemy. It is simply glorious! CEC: It is but it should not have an assasination focus. MK: Okay. I guess you won't be fighting on the streets. CEC: No but we will be protesting. MK: So I just wasted my time. That is the recording. Wolf Fryderch, UPF Deputy Leader, lawyer |
| Date | 08:40:18, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Plaid Ffederaliaeth a Rhyddid | To | Debating the Senatorial committee concerning the conspiracy to assassinate Llywydd/Präsident Henrik Melsbach |
| Message | This Senatorial Inquiry is hereby dissolved as no further questioning is necessary. Laurentius Cornelia Minister of Justice OOC: Since the RSF/UPF has went inactive, there's not much further we can do here. I'll move this to a vote so it can be saved for posterity. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 476 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 69 |
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