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Bill: Guarantee of minimum income
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4301
Description[?]:
| Current law states that: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certain period of time. We propose to eradicate the clause "However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certain period of time." and let the basic subsistence guarantee be indefinite. We should be moving on from outdated moral notions belonging to the early industrial society with its peculiar definition of work as employment, and the appurtenant presumption that full employment is possible, efficient or even desirable. The clause "not supported by another person" ought obviously also be removed. It is scandalous how people should be punished, with withdrawn benefits, for economic unions and supporting each other. Industrial society is a historical parenthesis. We should move to a restoration of an individuals capacity to provide means for sustaining himself, such as man does have in a pre-industrial, pre-urban environment. In our modern times where technology provides the human species with a productivity thousand times more efficient than in the pre-industrial environment, and most people live in cities, and cannot live off the land, a guaranteed basic income is the way to restore individual freedom, responsibility and basis for participation in a truly free market economy. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Homeless shelters and reintegration projects
Old value:: Local governments decide on homeless shelters and reintegration projects.
Current: The government runs all homeless shelters and reintegration projects
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning homeless shelters and reintegration projects.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:03:15, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Nasjonalt-Autokratiske Fascistparti | To | Debating the Guarantee of minimum income |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, The passing of this bill would mean the allowance of bums and savages to continue without work. The time limit clause ensures these vagrants are able to find occupation and shelter, but does not give them subsistence. Therefore, we will oppose this bill wholeheartedly. |
| Date | 19:30:03, November 10, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the Guarantee of minimum income |
| Message | I am very glad the Fascist party has answered our bill, so that we may sort out some common misunderstandings. Let us first acknowledge that the nation of Kazulmark already has installed provisions so as no Kazulan should ever need starve or freeze to death. Homeless shelters are dealt with on the regional level, but I think these programs overall are very ambitious and comprehensive. What our party means is not to rain money over the unemployed. Our proposition needs not get any more more costly for the taxpayers than current programs are. And let us think about what NAF says here and what it implies: "the allowance of bums and savages to continue without work". Let's imagine this "savage" NAF speaks of - it is a person who is unable and/or unwilling to find paid work. If he is such an incompetent savage, who will want to hire him? He might be no more than a troublemaker at the workplace. And why should society make sacrifices just to put him through the charade of doing a "job" that was requested by no-one. We should not impose on ourselves the cost of "creating jobs" just for the sake of punishing "lazy vagrants". We do not know and cannot judge about the individual fates, and it is anyway cheaper to just give them a minimum handout and let them find their way in life as best they can. The key here is that we give these people, who might be all sorts of people, maybe risk-taking entrepreneurs, but are often just dismissed as "bums", "savages", "vagrants" (by people who themselves might end up in unemployment and homelessness if times get rough), responsibility for their own fate - give them their basic subsistence, and that is it, the state shall not keep offices and receptions where they can come and beg for further benefits. Let any further charity be a private matter performed by churches etc. - Arvid Horn, MBA (Kj) |
| Date | 13:48:26, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the Guarantee of minimum income |
| Message | If we pass the bill guaranteeing basic subsistence for all adults, we can then relieve the local municipalities from their current charges of providing for the poor. The state shall just hand out the subsistence minimum in cash. More active and outreaching social work is better handled by churches, temperance missionaries and other idealistic institutions of various vocations, than by the cold and anonymous state/municipalities. |
| Date | 20:29:51, November 11, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party (Liberale Parti) | To | Debating the Guarantee of minimum income |
| Message | The Liberal Party does agree with Article 1 - a garunteed universal income is a good idea, though it should not be enough to live on and we may need to raise taxes. We do not support Article 2 though - we believe it will not help the homeless population and it is the responsibility of the local authorities to help them. Aud Dahl Leader of the Liberal Party |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 117 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 76 |
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