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Bill: P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery
Details
Submitted by[?]: Forum Liberale ðŸ§
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4303
Description[?]:
| "Greetings, deputies, I would like to bring to your attention a problem a little underestimated by many people. Usually, when we talk about transgender people, most of them are treated like it's a "phase" or something like that. It's cool that here, in Istalia, is "allowed" being a transgender (as if someone could really choose whether if he/she's transgender or not), but we need to make a final step. Unfortunately, surgery is not a thing every transgender can afford, and it's really sad that some people just can't accept themselves and their body because they don't have the money to feeling better. But I'm not asking you to pay to every citizen who wants to go to surgery to remove some wrinkles, a surgery for a transgender is a opportunity to give them acceptance with their body. Dysphoria, unfortunately, is a serious problem and science did a lot of work to help those who have this problem to solve it. I think they need to know that the Istalian State is standing shoulder to shoulder with them. I hope that this proposal can pass, and I thank you for your attention" - Andrea Martino, Republican Pact's Whip |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning sex reassignment surgery.
Old value:: Sex reassignment surgery is legal but regulated.
Current: The government funds sex reassignment surgery for people with low incomes.
Proposed: The government funds sex reassignment surgery for people with low incomes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:08:24, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Ludovica Azuri, PNP Leader, Whip, You do not give an alcoholic a shot - you send them to rehab. Same here: you should not normalize psychological disorder, you treat it. Not to mention the fact that the taxpayer should not be paying for things that are opposing their faith and beliefs, whilst not being strictly speaking necessary or lifesaving. We urge all members to vote against. Thank you |
| Date | 07:27:56, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Phineas Abercrombie, ULD Secretary "Same here: you should not normalize psychological disorder, you treat it" well, very well. We too believe that every member of the PNI/PNP should be immediately sent to a psychiatrical institution. But, either way, we won't support this bill, as we don't think that the state needs to pay for anyone's expenses, even as basic as this. |
| Date | 09:22:40, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Antonello Verzieri, Speaker of the Chamber: "Mr Abercrombie, I invite you to avoid to launch such insults against other members of the Chambers. |
| Date | 09:48:55, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Aisha Menchi, Whip of LP: "LP will support this proposal. A low income cannot be a motivation for the even increasing discomfort for these people. To have a really equal society where everyone have same rights, also in afford medical solution, this is a foundamental step. Mrs Azuri, compare gender dysphoria and alcoholism is... I don't know... an insult to the human intelligence! Alcoholism depend by external factor, the alcohol, which cause an addiction. Remove the addicted factor and you can solve the problem. About the dysphoria, how do you think to remove.... well... what have you to remove? NOTHING! The changement of sex IS a treatment for such situations Mrs Azuri, the treatment of such situation demand psycologic support as well as then medical intervention, through hormons and then, as last solution, the changement of sex. But the main point is: can we solve dysphoria? That is: can psycotherapy cure gender dysphoria by changing the patient's gender identity to reflect birth characteristics? The answer is no! Since long time the accademic medic world underline how such attempts are ineffective. So, among the treatment of this situation the changement of sex is one of the main solutions to be accompanid by the psycologic treatment. They are not different solutions, they are part of the treatments! And as well as we don't want that the people be restless and costantly concerned about their health or that they risk to fall in poverty to face a medic problems, as we have explained during the debate about our proposal of a veritable Universal Healthcare system, we cannot accept that someone as well ruins his socio-economic situation to afford such treatments, or, worst, that he cannot have access to such treatment because he has not the resource to afford it. We thanks PR for its scientific and pragmatic approach to this issue. Thank you" |
| Date | 18:13:35, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Ludovica Azuri, PNP Leader, Whip, We have expected the outrage, and Mr, Abercrombie is definitely not one to limit his vast vocabulary. However, I can make another example, for example, multiple personality disorder. We do not recognize both identities of the person, we do not issue two or more passports for all the personalities the individual may possess. Equally, we should not accept gender dysphoria, but attempt to treat it, like any other mental disorder, The proposal of providing surgery is simply an easy way out for the government to appease a certain group of people, instead of tackling the root of the problem |
| Date | 18:23:03, November 14, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Phineas Abercrombie, ULD Secretary If so, I invite you to monitor the discussion, Mr Speaker, and I hope that you'll prevent certain parties, including yours, to not spew such nonsense. Thank you. |
| Date | 11:11:15, November 15, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.l. 05/4302 - Transgender and surgery |
| Message | Aisha Menchi: "Hon. Azuri, you are still proposing us example which they are not adapted. You cannot take all the mental disturbs of the world and using them to do infinite examples, because eachone are different problems which approach and solutions are extremely different. "Equally" simple it doesn't mean nothing! There are not disease similar to others so that we can categorize all of them inside the same cathegory to which apply the same solutions." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 204 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 307 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 38 |
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