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Bill: P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Democratico Progressista - F.P
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4307
Description[?]:
| Beniamino Vannucci, PD Leader: It is our moral duty to protect unborn children from harm. It is not only about "fantasy books full of ridicolous dogma" as the LP sees religion, but about simple morality. We look down upon and heavily punish murder towards born people and especially born children - so why should we allow murdering unborn ones? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Proposed: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:47:58, November 22, 2017 CET | From | Partito conservatore d'Istalia | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Maksim Deano Clark, LEC Party Leader, Presidente Candidate We support all this bill stands for and we will vote YES once it comes to voting. |
| Date | 20:50:19, November 22, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Aisha Menchi, Whip of LP: "Mr Speaker, Let me express as LP deputy and first of all as woman that this is scandalous! We entered in the 44th century and rather that go foreward we regress abolishing a right which existed since the 42nd century. Centuries of conquest wiped out! We will bring the istalian in the streets! We will make here our voice! Collegues of ULD, collegues of PR, look at your allies how they are demolishing century of rights for our citizens!" |
| Date | 20:58:29, November 22, 2017 CET | From | Partito conservatore d'Istalia | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Maksim Deano Clark, LEC Party Leader, Presidente Candidate Mr/Mrs/Ms Menchi, Must I not mention again abortion is a cruel act and I believe should be banned from being able to be used? This unborn child protection act stands against it and I, Apparently with a bunch of other men here believe it is a good thing for the country. |
| Date | 21:45:26, November 22, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Aisha Menchi: "Mr Clark, As you said, there are many istalians who don't agree with you and this bill will only hurt them without bring nothing to you or your supporters. You want force millions of people who don't agree with you to this ban. We don't force noone to use abortion, if you don't do it, no one will force you, well... It would be a little difficult for you Mr Clark, and given the fact that you are a man and with such ideals, unlikely you will never understand such things. Furthermore, the illegal abortion will return and with them the high risks for the health of the women, because you think that women in needs will abstain to use illegal abortion? If you believe it, you don't know at all the history!" You are promoting |
| Date | 23:53:02, November 22, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Ludovica Azuri, PNI/PNP Whip, As a mother, I only want to say that aborting a child will not "solve a problem", otherwise how is it different from capital punishment that the left so strongly opposes. Because we all have CONSCIENCE. Let us all vote with our conscience, treating human lofe as infinitely valuable. |
| Date | 09:48:05, November 23, 2017 CET | From | Partito conservatore d'Istalia | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Maksim Deano Clark, PCI Leader, Our party utterly backs up every word from Mrs/Ms. Azuri, and we do add that an unborn child is still human, just not in the world talking and walking and doing all of that. And being just a human being with a heart and soul me and my party just cannot support cruelty. |
| Date | 09:52:59, November 23, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Aisha Menchi: "Mr Azuri, the question is simple, if you take some time to study instead than make express your uninformed opinion, so, without ANY value, you could say that until at least the 6th months a fetus cannot be considered even as human being with all his right. Why? Because until the 6th months the fetus has not even the capabilities to feel pain or to have an its own CONSCIENCE! Why you dare to talk vomit such scientific falsehood to defend a position that lies only on religious belief, that has nothing to do in this August body? How you dare? Go to study and the next time talk only if you are informed, do not show us all your ignorance! Here, in this Chamber, the superstitions and the fantasy history have nothing to do Ms Azuri! NOTHING! And the same invite it is for the Conservative and the other "hosian" parties... saddly remains of death centuries which still want plague as with their particular superstitions! We are working for the citizens, all the citizens, believers as well as atheists! And to do this, to work at best, the only consideration to do here are scientific considerations, because the science and not the religions makes work our modern civilizations! It is through the science that our medical science save the life, not with the preyers or the vodoo rites. It is through the science that we improve the life of our citizens and we find new possibilities for our culture and economy, not throught the religious cerimony! But it is not all! A human being, using some words from the utilitaristic philosophies on the matter "cruel", is a human being first of all because he as a conscioussness and he has the capabilities to feel pain and sufference, from which, the utilitaristic positions against, for example, the animal cruelty. And, a last thing, here you are acting with such a irresponsabilities... you are not even thinking to the future you want give to these unwanted child! An happy and healthy child is a wanted child! An unwanted child can likely only disrupt the social, psicological and economic situation of entire families and of the women! So, shame on you and on your ignorance! Study something before to open the mouth only to make take it air: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_perception https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/ And for Mr Clark, I would like underline you this passage: "Legal or clinical mandates for interventions to prevent such pain are scientifically unsound and may expose women to inappropriate interventions, risks, and distress." So... the science and the fact will always gain, not the superstition and the invisible old men in the clouds! |
| Date | 11:01:05, November 23, 2017 CET | From | Partito conservatore d'Istalia | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Maksim Deano Clark, PCI Leader, Mr/Mrs/Ms Menchi, I have a question of you first of all, This is not about religion! How is this about religion? Actually caring about the unborn lives aswell as the born lives is not a religion! And I would like to underline you this passage in the bill: "....allowed in medical emergencies." |
| Date | 21:19:06, November 23, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Phineas Abercrombie, ULD Clearly, Mr Clark, you were one of those emergencies. |
| Date | 22:25:17, November 23, 2017 CET | From | PRO - Cittadini Progressisti | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Ascentio Cartaginese, CSL Party Leader: '''Shame to each and every one who voted in favour of this bill. The CSL will fight for body sovereignty for as long as we exist.'' |
| Date | 07:32:17, November 24, 2017 CET | From | Partito conservatore d'Istalia | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Maksim Deano Clark, PCI Leader: Clearly Mr.Abercrombie, you are offended personally about this bill personally so you try to insult me personally to make me mad. |
| Date | 09:13:20, November 24, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 02/4306 Unborn Children Protection Act |
| Message | Phineas Abercrombie, ULD Nope. I am just stating the facts. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 293 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 245 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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