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Bill: Bold Future Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2062
Description[?]:
| We believe that the Commonwealth should have a central Space Agency. Under the current system, there are so many factions with so much money split between them that nothing on a large scale can be done. If we were to create a well funded Luthori Exploration of Space Agency(LESA) under the control of the central government, ships with our brave men and women on them shall literally fly towards the stars some day in the near future. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards space exploration.
Old value:: The government shall operate a space agency that contracts with and oversees private space-exploration companies.
Current: The government shall operate a space agency that contracts with and oversees private space-exploration companies.
Proposed: The government shall fully fund a state-owned space agency which controls all national space-related activity.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:00:32, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Let the private sector help out here. Great boost for the economy, great boost in jobs. The government oversees it (putting an end to corporate secrets and espionage, which previously hindered any advances in technology) |
| Date | 03:05:52, June 04, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Our concept of reality has been shattered...the Technocrats are supporting a communist bill...and the NFP is opposing it... Mommy... |
| Date | 03:33:31, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | lol I told you, i'm not socialist. Economic moderate, social liberal. |
| Date | 15:02:38, June 04, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | It's not a communist bill. Under the current system, we are so fragmented we can achieve nothing (WARNING: OOC refrence ahead)In the United States, for a loooooooong time there was only a government space agency, so that we could get a stable base. Recently, with the help of our experts and sucessful programs, the private sector is getting tremendous sucess(including the creation of the first private manned space craft that WORKS). If we keep this agency for, say, 10-20 years, and THEN we bring in the private corporations, we will have tremendous sucess. Right now, the best we can do is send small satellites into space. |
| Date | 15:51:53, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | What if the engineering, and design of the ships was government, but private companies were contracted to build the machines and train pilots? would you approve of that? |
| Date | 19:48:11, June 04, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Private companies could offer nowhere near the same levels of quality as the government could. If, for 10-20 years, solely the government trains pilots, builds ships, etc, and THEN transfers certain things over to private companies, it would be much better. That way, experienced pilots and builders could go train people at companies. Also, even once the private companies go into space, we still believe a Government-controlled space agency, that sent it's own ships, built it's own stations, etc, would still be needed. |
| Date | 22:34:09, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Take a look at the history of flight: I'd say the Wright brothers, and the private companies did a pretty good job of developing that technology. The government and the companies should work in tandem. each has things to offer that the others need, and neither should be left out. |
| Date | 22:36:36, June 04, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Looks like for the NFP, the CPP, and the APL like money more than they do the furtherment of Science and technology... |
| Date | 23:28:05, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | What are you talking about? The technology gets furthered farther when you allow private companies acces to it, because A) there are more people available in the public and private feilds working on it and B) allowing private access means that private companies can apply what they see in the space industry to other applications. Velcro, for instance, was invented to help the space program. the private companies developed alternate uses for it. opening this up to both sectors helps everyone. |
| Date | 23:56:56, June 04, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | not only that, but the jobs boost and the economic boost means that you have much more money to spend on research. |
| Date | 03:43:56, June 05, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | Under the current system, the state doesn't send a single ship into space. A company does. When we land on the moon, it won't be a Luthori flag, it will be a "Macrosoft" flag, or a "Tang" flag. Sure, that way generates more money, but do we REALLY want to be an uber-capitalist state? We are all for giving people their own business and stuff, but if we don't even let state owned craft into space, what's next? The ARMY will be controlled by Private Firms? (And before you attack me for saying we put no ships in space, look at the current law. It says we hire and oversee companies that send ships into space. WE send nothing.) |
| Date | 04:09:48, June 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | The government is overseeing the projects. The government plans the projects The government designs the projects. The government executes the projects. Companies manufacture the projects. this is in no way, shape, or form an 'ubercapitalist state' if i wanted it to be so, i would go to the other extreme of this bill and let it be completely private. tell me what is better for the people of the nation: A) The government and the corporations working in tandem to bring us to new technological heights, while providing a boost in jobs and the economy B) A government dominated space program, with the offerings of the private sector set aside and ignored, while entire sectors of the economy close, losing jobs, and dumping the bill on the backs of the workers in the form of massive tax hikes? |
| Date | 05:02:41, June 05, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | "The government shall operate a space agency that contracts with and oversees private space-exploration companies." That is what it says. This means that this is basically hiring mercenaries. We buy them and give them a general direction to go in. Of course, they all have VASTLY smaller funding than what they would have if they were all under one central control, so they are low-quality and and under-achieving. And entire sectors of the economy close? We can just as easily hire up all those jobs. And Massive tax hikes? (Real world reference alert) In the United States, are there massive tax hikes when a new satellite is sent into orbit? NO! Also, tell me ONE sucessfull private space exploration attempt that did NOT come after a long period of a State Controlled Agency controlling all Space Operations. In the U.S., NASA came before the X-Prize. |
| Date | 17:04:45, June 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Bold Future Bill |
| Message | just to let you know, the X-prize never would have happened without the prize. which, of course, was provided by the government. Of course there will be tax hikes. unless you want to shut down other programs, the money has to come from somewhere. If the private companies do it, they can use the new technologies to generate revenue in their other products. If it's strictly government, there is only one place cash can come from: Taxes. Under the current system, we give the company a project (say... "land on the moon") and they figure out how to do it. It provides jobs for thousands of people working on it, puts millions of dollars into the economy, and research is no farther behind than if we had fed those people off the government paycheck. just the opposite, in fact. as a real world example, look at how old-school exploring was done. The queen said "here's a few ships and some food. go out and find something new, and we'll split what you find" the explorers worked privately, but were contracted by the government. It was much less of an economic burden than putting it on the government paycheck and expecting the taxes to hold it up, because the companies managed their own resources and payroll. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 262 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 333 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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