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Bill: Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4313
Description[?]:
| After the passage of this bill, the law of the Republic of Valruzia should be as follows: |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Public financing of political campaigns
Old value:: All candidates receive public funds but are not allowed to accept donations.
Current: All candidates receive public funds but are not allowed to accept donations.
Proposed: Candidates receive public funds unless they have raised more than a certain amount of money.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:09:57, December 04, 2017 CET | From |  Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall! We think it's unnacteptable for government to spend any means to suport political campgains. Current taxation system is not just for the proletaryan masses, but money earned this way should be used to improve situation of working class. Promoting any political organisation ist not exactly in the business of all people, so it shouldn't be financed in such way. That's simple. We oppose current law and we also won't support new one. Member of the Presidium of the Valruzian Party of Working People, Stanisława Kotań |
| Date | 14:37:46, December 04, 2017 CET | From | Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵 | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, The taxation system is simple, progressive and first of all it's a system which introduces equity in the Valruzian society. Our government for decades kkept this system in place, and we are intending to keep ot for at least couple of decades, as this system of income tax, VAT tax and corporation tax kept within a certain marigin allowed our economy to blossom, allowed our citizens to accumulate savings, smoething which they weren't allowe in the past due to overtaxation and plundering fiscal policies of the past governments. The Economy is growing steadilly and relatively quick with growing numbers of private businesses and enterprizes, growing number of jobs and massive investments carried out by domestic and foreign investors. The proposed system is fair for small political parties like the WPLP which so fiercly opposes it. This allows it to gather donations and receive public funds to carry out its campaign. The PKN proposed this solution to balance the chances of political parties in Valruzia which are fresh and enrooted in the system. 'Money used to improve situation of working classs'? Mrs. Kotań, the money accumulated through taxation is spent exactly on that. But our government prefers to spent it wisely insted of large direct allowances, we prefer to direct gathered surplus to the National Economic Fund (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/National_Economic_Fund_(Valruzia)) which is responsible for subsidizing industries and small and medium sized businesses, over the last 20 years the PKN-led government built more than 25 thousand kilometers of roads, including 2 thousand kilometers of highways, we've modernized the rolling stock of our national railway provider, equipping it with the fastest trains operating on the seleyan continent. So, please do not tell us that we could have been spending those money on helping the 'working class' when all we are doing is exactly aimed at helping all citizens of our Great Nation without categorizing who is and who is not a member of the 'working class'. Robert Tomczyk, Prime Minister of Valruzia. |
| Date | 16:19:21, December 04, 2017 CET | From | Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, When I presented quickly our statement on public founding of political campgains, in response Prime Minister gave long, agressive speech about how great his government's economy is. Let me just say, that this is direct evidece, how much this government is out of touch! At first, I respect such pragmatic treatment of capitalism as progressive taxation, but I can't agree that it's in any way best for anyone. Well, as always, you try to solve the problems you've created. Accumulation of capital made by regular person, not of course as tremendous as made by big corporations, may seem good to be solution for pathologies of market economy. But inequalities will grow anyway, there will be social problems anyway, but there will be also a point when you won't be able to prosper anymore, because it demands exponential growth and that's not possible in the nature. Mr. Marshall, the 'working class' and what is good for it are real sociological constructs based on scientific observations. We didn't made them up and said 'You are, you are not'! And criticism of capitalism is also based on such observations. We can see, how many destroying for society and individuals processes are made by advancing capitalism. Yes, you can build roads and highways. You can do it by progressive taxes and not damage people so badly. But can you prevent social conficts? Can you prevent running out of natural resources? Can you prevent marketization of the society? Can you guarantee, when economy is even partially determined by private capitalists, the worker's rigts will be always respected? And don't misunderstand me, maybe there is a way. This is the subject of sociology research. But we are completly sure that collectively owned means of production with dominant position of unions is the most certain, safe and just way to build real classless society. And we are every day trying to do so! An now, Mr. Marshall, I will do something that Prime Minister is not good at. I will stick to the point. We simply don't agree with this logic that, if we have some money, we can give it to some political groups. No, we musn't! It is not role of the state! State is social construct responsible for organising life in favor of its citizens. Political propaganda is not something working in favor of every person. Propaganda of some parties is not good for anyone! If people would ask about programme informations and then government would grant means to finance it, we could accept this bill. But we all know that it is not how campgains are created! And, Honourable Prime Minister, you don't have to care about us. We, as completly new party, have received 15% of the vote and became main oposition. We managed so far without injust founding! We hope that other parties will manage too but even if not, state should not spend any means to help them. Member of the Presidium of the Valruzian Party of Working People, Stanisława Kotań |
| Date | 16:42:57, December 04, 2017 CET | From | Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵 | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, I ask the right honorable Mrs. Kotań to name at least one pathology she is so dramatic about. One. Just one and then we, maybe, will be able to enter further discussion, because as for now we are the only one who provided Valruzian society with money in their pockets, and a State that works. It works perfectly. While Mrs. Kotań is focusing on 'observations' of 'social constructs', the Ministry of Trade and Industry is starting a new programme which will help youg, ambitious entraprenuers in opening their businesses, businesses which will create revenue and new jobs for people. Mrs. Katań said about marketization of the society, about the marginalization of the 'working class'. Well, members of the WPLP might have not noticed that the society is willingly marketiing itself. But the social merket economy which we have in Valruzia provides them with wide variety of rights and priviliges. Name one social conflict present in Valruzia today, but please guarantee us with the evidence for it. Because as for now you've offered us nothing more than some empty words to support the impaired socialist agenda of the WPLP. You see, what you care abot is the survival of the society with growth and advancement is being sidelined and marginalized. You see in our eyes, the wealth of the society is the supreme goal and that wealth won't be achieved with private initiatives being nationalized and their money wasted by the incompetent insitutions of the State. Mr. Marshall, right, the State is a social construct. It is, indeed, responsible for organising social life in favor of its citizen. This is also one of the fuctions of politics. You see organizing of the social life include, organizing of the political life, organizing of the electoral process which is the very heart of the Democratic State. And the provision is simple. If a party manages to gather a specified amount of private donations it will not be eligible to receive public funds. Robert Tomczyk, Prime Minister of Valruzia. |
| Date | 18:19:36, December 04, 2017 CET | From | Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, I said to Prime Minister, that it's important to understand me properly, but I don't think he even listened carefully. Moreover, I am not sure, if he listened to himself while speaking, because he answeared several questions, he had asked a moment before. I named these pathologies. I told exactly, what is generated by market mechanisms and I told that he won't solve these problems. And I know now, he doesn't recognise them as problems or thinks they are in some way natural. But again, Mr. Marshall, none of things I talked about were made up! Honorable Prime MInister, you told that wealth is supreme goal of the society. The one thing I see is how destructive such situation is. Honorable Prime Minister, you accused me of focusing on something what, as you sugested, is economically wortless. And you told, instead, about 'programme which will help youg, ambitious entraprenuers in opening their businesses'. Congratulations! You helped to start many economical subjects, half of which will fall, no matter what help you can provide them, and 7/8 of the rest won't create any jobs. Remaining will transform into extremally big corpo - objects. And you did it to solve problems you have created and improve indicators which have nothing to do in any system different from capitalism. Honorable Prime Minister, you told that society is 'willingly marketing itself'. Person, who doesn't want to focus on 'observations', propably won't understand how big is market influence on regular people lives. But I don't think that the person who wants to give public money for political campgains is unconscious how influential propaganda is. Honorable Prime Minister, you asked me to name one social conflict. And that's obviously lack of 'observations', because I don't believe anyone could be so arogant. Maybe you think every social class wants the same thing? Maybe corporations are destroying social relations, environment, markets and themselves while rivalising recrationally? Maybe people voted for WPLP, even if we were small, underrepresented in media and public debate party, because they like red? You have evidences all around, the point is just opening your eyes. If social conflicts are for you only civil wars and revolutions, then yes, I guarantee, that at some point of capitalism you'll see them. I don't want to be boring, so I wan't say again, that we are completly out of the topic. Mr. Marshall, political life in the democratic state is not organising political life, political life is organising state. Any ingeration in political active sphere is something made by autoritarian governments. From this point, we oppose this bill strongly. Member of the Presidium of the Valruzian Party of Working People, Stanisława Kotań |
| Date | 18:48:12, December 04, 2017 CET | From | Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵 | To | Debating the Bill on Financing of Political Parties and Candidates of August 4312 |
| Message | Mr Marshall, Mrs. Kotań's perception of capitalism is, maybe I'm overuse this word, impaired. What's even worse, is the fact that her alternative for capitalism is even more impaired system. System which is so inhumane as humanly possible to imagine. But I guess we will have numerous times to discuss this in other debates. Thank You Mr. Mrshal. R. Tomczyk. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 387 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 78 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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