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Bill: R.I.4316 Religious peace act
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4317
Description[?]:
| Herr Huspresident, With problems of order and unbridled behaviour having been reported from the southern areas, and clashes between Pagans and Hosians are feared, we think there is need for to take measures for not to support the elements that are stirring up this provocations. -Atlas Skuldristen (Kj) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: It is not permitted to wear religious clothing or religious symbols in public buildings.
Proposed: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Proposed: Religious organizations are not permitted to actively promote themselves or advertise, however evangelism is permitted by individuals.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Racial segregation of public amenities (eg. drinking fountains, public toilets)
Old value:: Segregation of any public amenity is banned.
Current: Segregation of any public amenity is banned.
Proposed: Government owned amenities are not segregated, private organisations are free to choose.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:53:04, December 12, 2017 CET | From | Hedensk Allianse | To | Debating the R.I.4316 Religious peace act |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, It seems Kjerne has "fallen back" in terms of their own ideals. It is only in the wake of recent events that Kjerne has decided that religous freedoms are actually ideals they REALLY don't want. This bill is obviously just a scheme by Kjerne leadership to push their opposition into the dust. Comrades, our fight is not with you, but it is with the evil Kjerne. We hope it is clear to see that they will betray themselves in the pursuit of power. -Halvor Aandahl |
| Date | 03:35:41, December 12, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the R.I.4316 Religious peace act |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, Our first duty as parliament and government of Kazulia, is that we can guarantee safety, law and order, and that the law shall be held equally for all. Apart from this bill being prompted by recent unrest, these articles are not contrary to what we think is right for Kazulia. Private organizations shall have the right to any policies they choose as long as they do not violate the freedoms of third parties. Religion shall not be institutionalized, but remain a private and communal matter, and what must be regarded as a commercial enterprise shall not use the name of a religion to promote itself. We make a cut between the concept of religion and commercial enterprise. To be a minister of religion shall be understood as a layman activity. -Rebekka Töffting (Kj) |
| Date | 03:54:30, December 12, 2017 CET | From | Hedensk Allianse | To | Debating the R.I.4316 Religious peace act |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, Why should religion remain a "private and communal matter"? Many people want to express their religion in a peaceful way. What Rebekka Töffting is doing is redirecting the issue to making a "cut between the concept of religion and commercial enterprise." The bill proposals have nothing to do with this. However, what the bill really does is ban the wearing of any symbol of ANY religion in public places, as well as stopping any religion from growing by banning the promotion of these faiths. This is a clear violation of a Kazulians right to freelyfollow a religion. One question we would like to ask is if you really want to keep religion a "private and communal matter", then why do you want to disallow religious authorities to recieve a wage? If Kjerne REALLY says what it wants, then why does Kjerne want the government want to INTRUDE on a religions private business? One final question is why Kjerne wants to allow segregation. If Kjerne wants to stop religious and racial tensions, then why does Kjerne want to promote it by allowing this horrid and violence causing practice? -Halvor Aandahl |
| Date | 15:59:04, December 12, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the R.I.4316 Religious peace act |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, Yes, we guarantee a person the right to be racist on his own back-porch. As long as he doesn't force anyone to be there. In practice, what it means is that people are free to form organizations for one or the other ethnicity, whatever the rest of us may think of it. In relation to the Hedensk Allianse - they might be many draddwyrans. Some of them may want to hold meetings only for draddwyrans. Maybe that is a bad idea, but I think it is better to allow it, than to make it a criminal predilection. If it is not criminalized, I am confident they will get bored quicker and find some other interest to engage in. It is true that these articles are an answer to recent events. We have sensed the need to make sure that religion shall indeed be expressed and promoted only in a peaceful way, and the situation is such that provocations and reasons for conflict must be minimized. Part of this is disallowing the name of religion from being used for economic profit. And religion shall only be spread from individual to individual, not by costly campaigns -Roald Storstrand (Kj) |
| Date | 03:06:03, December 13, 2017 CET | From | Kjerne | To | Debating the R.I.4316 Religious peace act |
| Message | Herr Huspresident, The reports that we have gotten from the provinces look much better now, and we think there shall be no need to implement these laws. -Atlas Skuldristen, Statsminister |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 176 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 17 |
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