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Bill: Space Exploration Act of 4322
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alternatywa - Jedność Narodowa
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4323
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards space exploration.
Old value:: The government shall fully fund a state-owned space agency which controls all national space-related activity.
Current: Space exploration and use shall be totally unregulated.
Proposed: The government shall operate a space agency that contracts with and oversees private space-exploration companies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:02:02, December 24, 2017 CET | From | Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Space Exploration Act of 4322 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, It's disgraceful, that government, when space exploration should be experience and responsibility of whole society, gives itself opportunity to cede it to corporations. We told many times, that corporation's interest is never the same as the society's interest. But PKN and JN seem to fall into deeper and deeper paranoia with every our word on these issues. And now they reached the point, when they want to sold our right to control something most important for us: our steps forward. It's terrible mistake! Kewin Miller, Member of the Presidium of the WPLP. |
| Date | 15:56:41, December 24, 2017 CET | From | Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵 | To | Debating the Space Exploration Act of 4322 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, On behalf of the whole parliamentary club of the Party of National Coalition, I would like to express our amazement and disagreement with the words of Mr. Miller and the whole WPLP. The fact that You told something it doesn't constitute the truth and the reality, except for WPLP's point of view as there is a proverb that when and if you repeat a lie many many times You tend to believe this lie and take it as a truth. Let me be clear here. This communist agenda of WPLP is dangerous and the conviction that the society will only benefit when the National Government will oversee literally everything and will own everything... well, this is disgraceful, thievish, sick and distorted. How can anybody be so blind, or unwilling to understand the principles of reality and fail to notice that at the same time as we release the space industry to the public, public which is better equipped with the means to explore space, develop new technologies in the spheres of telecommunication, at the same time we establish first in history of the Republic and I think in history of Our Nation, designated and an independent agency to explore space and introduce new technologies. One has to be blind to not notice the evident upside of the private sector where the competition, a fair competition enforces higher standards, better quality and first and foremost, the most reasonable price. The potential of the market is incomparably bigger than this of the State and that's why we should invest our trust in it, a trust which when invested may change into progress and benefit. It is impossible to fulfill and secure the interests of the whole society at once and nor the Private Sector cannot do that, nor the State. The progress of a nation is not only secured by the State. It is secured by the citizens, corporations both public and private, business entities and many other factors which the WPLP fails to notice. Its conviction that only the State with its limited and sometimes impaired institutions is responsible for the national growth is dangerous and should not be followed. Maria Stołeczna, Member of the Sejm's Committee on Mass Communication and Information Technologies. |
| Date | 22:41:24, December 24, 2017 CET | From | Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Space Exploration Act of 4322 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, I am a little disappointed with the arrogance of Mrs. Stołeczna. Only a little, because I am not naive and I have sat here for a longer than one day. You accused us of lying. Are you insinuating that corporation's interests are the same as the interests of society? That they, better equiped with means, as you said, will proudly save our nation and humanity Mr. Marshall, at this point I must remind, that Mrs. Stołeczna also accused us of "not understanding reality". Well, now I know, where does informations about the technique of repeating lies come from. We have noticed long time ago, that you are also getting more and more dogmatist. There is nothing new. You told, that PKN an JN's government established space agency. Oh, that's nice. You want to gives private companies right to get involved in thing, that clearly belongs to people and should be realised according only to their interests, but we don't have worry, you've created space agency. Am I supposed to clap my hands now? I mean, that's great, but I can't see, where does it make this bill at any point more acceptable. You believe, that by the competitions we will create better quality. Well, I guess, if you were competent enough to do so by yourself, you would not have come up with such an idea. But one thing puzzles me. Mrs. Stołeczna, please, explain, what will make the prizes you expect reasonable? Do you think, that, when you pay to one company less than to other company or, propably, spend less than when project is runned by government, there will be also best quality. Or maybe you think, you will save money on bureacracy? Will there be the best control and enough quality tests? You called our vision thievish, distorted and so on. Well, let me be clear, yours is just surreal. Kewin Miller, Member of the Presidium of the WPLP. |
| Date | 00:44:30, December 25, 2017 CET | From | Partia Koalicji Narodowej 🔵 | To | Debating the Space Exploration Act of 4322 |
| Message | Mr. Marshall, The only thing I expect the WPLP to do is to stay quiet on issues they have no knowledge about. Total incoherency of policies and agenda only multiplies our conviction that the WPLP is a dangerous communist party. You gibber about "bad corporations" and "society's interests" but as I see now, the PKN-JN government is the only one to propose the solutions which will guarantee the stable and sustainable economic growth. Mr. Marshall, I must admit I was quite amused when I listened to Mr. Miller statement, especially when he "explained" or at least tried to "explain" that the competition on the free market will not guarantee the reasonable prices. Well, Mr. Miller, that's a pretty daft question to ask as it reveals the total lack of knowledge, from your side, on how the free market works and how the competition affects the prices. You asked how I expect the prices to be reasonable. You see, it's quite easy to imagine and as I believe it's easy to understand and comprehend for all members of the Sejm except the WPLP. You see capitalism and the free market had developed mechanisms which ensure that the prices are kept within a certain margin and with the mechanism developed by the State like anti-monopoly laws and anti-dumping laws those prices are kept within this margin. Mr. Marshall, for one more time we hear about that how our policies will damage the interests of the society and how it will benefit "big corporations"... but we do not hear any alternatives from the WPLP. I know that the WPLP would like to see a communist omnipotent state which controls literally everything but I must worry the WPLP, that's not going to happen, fortunately. Thank You, Mr. Marshall, *goes off the tribune but goes back with raised finger* Mr. Marshall, one more formal motion, maybe we should think about a social benefit for individuals with hearing problems, as I believe Mr. Miller would benefit from those, as I do not recall saying anything about "corporations saving our nation and humanity". I must admit that all this lament of Mr. Miller sounds like a lament of a person hurt by the free market, maybe because this person was not willing to get proper qualifications or expected the market to adjust itself to his needs and he did not consider adjusting the means with which he entered the market. I'm saying this because it is really scary and worrying that a commonsensical individual would say something like this. The conviction that the State and lack of proprietorship are the panacea for all troubles of this world is, excuse me Mr. Marshall, really stupid and irresponsible thing to believe in, and I am saddened and disgusted at the same time that members of the Sejm can believe in such a distorted concept. Now I am done Mr. Marshall, Thank You, Maria Stołeczna, Member of the Sejm's Committee on Mass Communication and Information Technologies. *applause from the PKN benches and the Government Seats* |
| Date | 15:13:04, December 25, 2017 CET | From | Klub Humanistyczny | To | Debating the Space Exploration Act of 4322 |
| Message | Mr. Marhall, Firstible, Mrs. Stołeczna showed us in her speech inability to substantive discussions, and rhetorical abilities on the level of high - school activist. I am not suprised. I know, that it's impossible to have 465 people of perfect manners in one place. But I have to notice, that leaving this terrible act of ableism without punishment, would damage seriousness of this chamber. Mrs. Stołeczna should care also about her seriousness, because, for the second time during this debate, I can reverse her worlds. I didn't tell, that it's impossible to achieve reasonable price. However, after your explanation, I am deeply interested. What are the mechanisms of capitalism and free market, which will will make us pay most "reasonable" price for work of the best quality? There is of course something like "good will", but I don;t think it is economical mechanism. Moreover, I am sure it is not an attribute of corporations. To be serious, I know how does competitions work. You won't tell me, that companies would temporary give up part of their profits, because "soon demand will increase". Then there must be decrease in quality. Mr. Marshall, I thought, it is obvious, that, when we oppose private involvment in space affairs, we want to leave them to the government instead as an alternative, but from Mrs. Stołeczna's speech, I see, we have different senses of obviousness. I guess, it would be easier to understand things, If you focus on parliamentary affairs instead of your ENT, psychological and astrological advices. Thank you, Mr. Marshall, Kewin Miller, Member of the Presidium of the WPLP. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 325 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 140 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles." - Ayn Rand |