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Bill: Freedom of the military 4333
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalizione del Futuro
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4335
Description[?]:
| In this bill we propose our proposals for the military. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is allowed.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed.
Proposed: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Appointment of military officers
Old value:: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Current: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Proposed: Individual units elect their officers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:18:27, January 15, 2018 CET | From | Coalizione del Futuro | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Our goal is to bring democracy not only to our people. But also to the institutions we uphold. Therefor we propose to let the army's men elect their own leaders and let the army decide upon the use of land mines. Teobaldo Tavani, President of the CDF |
| Date | 15:19:37, January 15, 2018 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Francesco di Nacosia-Rohan, Leader of LP: "Mr Speaker, we cannot vote in favor of this bill, because, about the first article, due to my personal opinions and hopes which I achieved to make accept to my party, we are now committed to abolish the personnel landmines for the terrible consueguences which with a massive use of the mines could come. Then, my dear collegues, I will be clear: the Armed Forces have nothing to do with the Democracy! The Armed Forces without a strong control by part of the civil, democratically elected authorities of the State can become themself a threat for the Democracy. The Armed Forces shall to be at the service of the State and act as the State want! The Armed Forces, furthermore, have to assure a behavior which must be adeguate to the ethical standard of the nation, not be left to decide on such important decision alone and without control. Finally, as already stated several time in the past, elections among the armed forces ranks and the troops is something adeguate for the "communist"! We cannot leave to the feelings of the troops decide who have to be appointed as officers! We need of the most skilled and expert, not of the most sympathetic with the troops! We don't need of Armed Forces which risk to become a State into the State, a parallel and dangerous entity. The Armed Forces should remain firmly under the control of the National Government! Thank you" |
| Date | 15:38:11, January 15, 2018 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Emilia Beroen, ULD Whip & Deputy Leader: M Speaker, I can assure you that the soldiers know more about the army and who would make a good officer for their unit than most politicians. We support this article, as it removes politics from the armed forces. |
| Date | 16:24:58, January 15, 2018 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Francesco di Nacosia-Rohan: "Mr Speaker, we cannot agree to the collegue of ULD, simply because the fact to "remove politics from the armed forces" it is simply a lie. Indeed, we think that internal elections cannot but only promote the formation of factions inside the armed forces. And this is another danger after the other mentioned about candidate officers more interested to like to the troops rather than boast their skills. And, Mrs Beroen, it is duty of the soldiers to know more about the armed forces, while the duty of the politicians is to control the soldiers and assure that they respect the directives of the Government and of the body which control the Government, the Parliament." |
| Date | 16:57:14, January 15, 2018 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Emilia Beroen: Mr Speaker, The Military serves under the president. |
| Date | 23:22:14, January 17, 2018 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the Freedom of the military 4333 |
| Message | Andreatto di Nero, Minister of Defence, This bill strips power from the ministry of defence, which is an elected body as it is appointed by an elected president, of whom this bill would drastically reduce the power of. Hence, we vote against. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 165 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 401 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 69 |
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