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Bill: Pollution Control Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2203
Description[?]:
| This act will make our environment cleaner than it is today. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of pollution in industry.
Old value:: The government enforces moderate pollution restrictions.
Current: The government enforces moderate pollution restrictions.
Proposed: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:53:37, March 05, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | opposed. We must keep the "Green Tape" away from industry. |
| Date | 02:39:04, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | Our environment is getting damaged because we laxed the environmental controls. It is high time we make our nation greener again and something for other nations to strive to meet. |
| Date | 03:20:00, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | We support the measure. Our environment must be protected and this will accomplish that. |
| Date | 08:37:11, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | There is no conclusive evidence that air pollution does such a great harm to the GreenHouse effect, or event hat there is a GreenHouse effect, so i do not think we should harm our industry so much, based on fantasies and dreams of enviromental fanatics. |
| Date | 12:47:41, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | I like the current legislation as well... The GLDS are moderate greenish, we're not fundamentalist about it. |
| Date | 19:55:51, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | I would like to ask how people are saying this is extreme? Let me remind you all that we had nearly unanamous vote before any of your parties came around to place the proposed measure. This is for the environment and if you care at all for the environment, you should support it. This is no fundamentalism here. |
| Date | 20:11:06, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | Having highly restrictive standards would make our nation less competitive, which is bad for our national economy. But we do support the current situation, in which the government enforces reasonable pollution restrictions. |
| Date | 20:13:41, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | What I'm trying to say is that we'll have to consider all aspects.. not only ecological (which we value highly), but also economical and other factors (which we also value highly). |
| Date | 22:10:26, March 05, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | We never had a problem economically with our pollution control when they were at the highly restrictive level. |
| Date | 18:55:08, March 06, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | When our party came to the political seen over 50 years ago we had a problem economically. When they were available the deomographic statistics showed unbelievably low industrial growth. Now we have measured economic success from how much it has improved since we took to power during our long run in office. When i brought the current law in, it was of a number of other laws brought in that helped saw economic recovery. The current law keeps our industry at a very competitive level whilst taking the environment into account. |
| Date | 20:04:42, March 06, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | And yet our environment is suffering because of your total lack of self discipline when it comes to the environment. The law that is currently being proposed has been one of the oldest laws on the books. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=2176 <--Passed in 2043 Yes this even predates me by approxamently 20 years. The current law has brought back pollution after it was virtually non-existent and we played up that fact and tourists loved our pristined environment. Now we no longer have a prestine environment and it is high time we bring it back. That is why we are proposing this. We want an environment that our children will take care of. One as free from pollution as possible. |
| Date | 02:10:12, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | *applauds the Rightist Party* |
| Date | 13:56:55, March 07, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | ONCP members wonder why there are applause! The moderate restrictioons do enable a clean encvironment and don't hold back our industry. This gives a great competitive advantage in industry whilst still keeping the environment clean. A win win situation. |
| Date | 16:13:19, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | Moderate restrictions still leaves pollution. More pollution than we, or any properly raised citizen, tolerate. That is why we placed this bill on the table. To get back to a cleaner environment and one that our children and our children's children can be proud of. A vote against this bill is a vote against the environment and our children's future. |
| Date | 13:23:46, March 08, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | wow! just because people do't share your opinions don't be so arrogant as to refer them not properly raised! And with the current restrictions there is very little pollution and the restrictions ensure there are no long term effects to our environment. Also our economic reform helps with the environment and would certaily compensate for any grievences you may incurr! We would prefer it if people could enjoy the environment whilst having jobs and this ensures that, keeping ourenvironment clean to an acceptable level that our future generations can be proud of. |
| Date | 11:01:20, March 09, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | We still oppose this bill, it is so apparent that it is not so bad with enviroment as enviromentalists says. |
| Date | 11:10:01, March 12, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | no comment has been made for a while. |
| Date | 11:10:25, March 12, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | so shall we move to vote. |
| Date | 15:57:19, March 12, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | No we are not going to move it to a vote. We are not going to move it to a vote until you all realize that our environment is at stake. Pollution is on the rise since we instituted moderate controls and people who live near those industries are now starting to get sick and they demand action. |
| Date | 09:49:36, March 13, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | CAN YOU BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS THAT POLLUTION IS ON THE rise? Do these people demand action are they sick? If these claims are true lets talk more if not move to vote. And you know what i don't think these claims are true! |
| Date | 15:01:35, March 13, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | *presents charts* As you can see on this chart here, in the industrialized areas of Tukarali, pollution has been steadily on the rise. This comes straight from the environmental agencies and they are demanding action. Also, you can see the long range projections that if we do not curb this problem now, we're going to have unhealthy air and cases of asthma will rise. *changes to medical stats* On this chart, you can clearly see that asthma is on the rise in the same area as pollution. Kids are getting stomach ailments from the drinking water and this problem is only going to get worse if we do not stop it now. That is why we are proposing this bill. It is to look out for the people of our nation as well as for the environment as a whole. |
| Date | 21:47:45, March 13, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | *gets out a bunch of statistics* Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forfty percent of all people know that. |
| Date | 23:41:40, March 13, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | By statistics i mean STATISTICS. There aren't any. And your argument would be more convincing if you actually showed us charts and stats instead of saying "as you can see from these stats/charts", which no-one can actualy see, pointing at a blank peace of paper. No environmental agencies have contacted any other party and the area of the civil service that did monitor pollution is in reform. (demographic stats were the only way to prove this, and now they are gone there is no way we can measure pollution) But moderate restrictions bring the best of both worlds and that is why we reject the proposal. The council is set to reject the bill as the parties opposing have stated their reasons for doing so and don't look like they will change their minds. So please can this be moved to vote! The moderate restrictions prevent our country been harmed from our industry in the ways which would only really be the case if we had no restrictions. I'm concerned you are misleading the council with false information that can't be backed up with any proof. |
| Date | 23:42:07, March 13, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | We all know it but the stats that the Rightist Party came up with is from the local governments that we do not control. He shown us the studies and we are in complete agreement. If we do not do something about the pollution problem that you have caused, we are going to suffer mightly. |
| Date | 16:08:14, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | The evidence I presented with the charts is not misleading in anyway. This actually comes from a town that has an ONCP mayor and he is highly upset at the current law. Of course that isn't the only town that has problems and don't have an opposition mayor. This comes from those towns using their own people. So tell me where the bias is that? |
| Date | 18:38:53, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | OOC: Using imaginary stats isn't going to convince anyone |
| Date | 19:47:23, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | OOC: I read rules somewhere and it says Very clearly taht you cannot, and is not, allowed to roleplay characters, partymembers, or anything like that from an opposing party. So i pretend that is propaganda :) IC: Enviromentalism has not been proven conclusivly, greenhouse-effect, global warming etc, all of it is just speculations, it has been so that thousands of years ago you could grow fruit in the most northern parts of the Hemisphere, they did not have cars and polluting industry then. We simply do not know, and thus we should try to be on hte safe side, but not so safe that we are fanatics. And that is why we think one should oppose this. |
| Date | 02:17:43, March 17, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | OOC: I didn't roleplay any characters whatsoever. I mentioned no names and did no actions whatsoever. Therefor, I'm still withhin the rules. I know perfectly well what the rules are of this game. |
| Date | 10:52:58, March 18, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pollution Control Act |
| Message | well when u said that we had no mayors so how could you have possibly got stats that came from a town where there is an ONCP mayor.. And can you please move to vote. You just haven't gained enough support for the change but are now holding up the legislative procedure. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 91 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 185 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 23 |
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