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Bill: Legalising Industries.
Details
Submitted by[?]: One Nation Socialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2200
Description[?]:
| I believe that instead of criminals monopolising these industries without legitimate governmental control we should clean up the industries and re-exert our control over them. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:21:38, March 05, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Article 3 ensures greater safety for women who are forced to prostitute themselves. As it is women could be subject to great violence and drug abuse, from their "profession" and would be less likely to suffer if the industry was cleaned up. |
| Date | 02:38:11, March 05, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Article 1 we oppose as we brought about the ban because of crime. Since the ban, crime associated with gambling has gone down. If we re-legalize it, crimes associated with gambling will return and we will not tolerate that.
Articles 2 and 3 we oppose on moral grounds. Also in regards to 2 and 3, the people do not want pornography nor do they want prostitution legalized. |
| Date | 11:42:39, March 05, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Could the rightist party still give me government statistics saying crime asscociated with gambling has decreased?
Also you cannot deny that when illegalised, gambling as a crime has increased and still goes on
only we have no control over it. With legalising it and only giving special licenses we can re-exert control over the industry and and only give licenses to casinos built in good respectable areas of the city centre that allow for casinos to fit in with the environment reducing gambling crime. This would reduce crime related gambling also which also still goes on but just isn'ttaken into account by government figures because it takes place around "unknown" illegal gambling houses.
As a compromise also we could drop the proposal to legalise prostitution.
Pornographic material is still sold but on the black market, illegally. We have no control over what goes on the material and therefore can't implement our moral judgement on it. If legalised we could control such a thing but as it is immoral pornographic material is being sold illegaly!
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| Date | 14:00:16, March 05, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=5770 <--Anti Gambling Bill
The people of this nation are a moral people. They do not tolerate such vices such as Gambling, Prostitution, and Pornography. They frown on that. We
As to your compromise, we will still vote against it. This tribal council has voted against gambling everytime the issue has come up and it should remain as such. Pornography has been voted down too as has Prostitution I believe.
No. We will not support this. |
| Date | 06:11:37, March 07, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | If this passes, I'll gaurentee you that divorce rates will go up. I'm urging this triibal council to reject this measure as it will have serious effects on family life. |
| Date | 20:16:55, March 07, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | PEOPLE already gamble but it just isn't controlled by the government but by the criminal underworld! This would clean up industries controlled by the underworld! |
| Date | 16:38:19, March 08, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | what am i meaqnt to be impressed. I simply read The PP refusing to give an apology.
Why should a non-profit lottery make any difference to what i have proposed. My argument still stands firm.
U got any statistics that state gamblign related crime has increased? |
| Date | 15:50:54, March 09, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | It has decreased since the bill was passed by this very tribal council. Do you have stats to back up what you are saying? |
| Date | 18:22:22, March 09, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | neither of us does due to the civil service failing to provide that information. So you can't make such claims as you have. The fact is these industries need to be prised away from the paws of the criminal world. |
| Date | 03:52:53, March 10, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | The problem is that our people are a moral people. They will reject this bill and they demand that we keep these illegal. I will not go against the will of the people. |
| Date | 10:16:32, March 10, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Almost everone is moral, but everyone has dffeent morals. And not all the people have a neo-conservative morality just to point that out. And surely it would be more moral to clean up the industry than leave it in the hands of people who tarnish the name of our nation. People are usually forced to prostitute themselves for money and thi would mean they wouln't be subject to an inhumain lifestyle. Many f these people are victims f our society! We must legalise these industries to protect our people from the criminal world and protect the people named in the bill who are so deeply effected by them! |
| Date | 11:10:35, March 10, 2006 CET |
From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | This is just immoral. I thought we had moved away from hte Dark Age where women where forced to prostitution and such things, where bodies could be sold for cash. I thought we had gone away from the time where moral depravity was given to people in magazines and on television. Apparently not. And i am confident that the people would be in an uproar if this bill was carried through.
We can support the change in Article 1, gaming when regulated and controlled in Casino can be accepted. |
| Date | 21:41:16, March 10, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Just to point out the current bill doesn't force anyone to sell themselves. Infact the current system allows for criminal activity to result in people being forced to sell themselves. And we would like to point out that not everone has such conservaitve values. We shall as a compromise propose a different bill " Casino Bill" that has article 1 alone. |
| Date | 15:02:23, March 13, 2006 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | No you don't for if you did, you would not be trying to force this bill on this nation. |
| Date | 23:23:28, March 13, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | The fact that you have said that states i care for individual and not collective morality. People who are morally against these bills don't have to associate themselves with these industries. But the point of the bill is to de-criminalise the industries and "clean them up". Both of the industries we are talking about here go on regardless of whether they are legal. So if we make them more respectable then there will be more chance that the individuals morals can be upheld with pride. |
| Date | 23:31:32, March 13, 2006 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | The people do not want these industries. I guess the ONCP is as immoral as we feared they are. |
| Date | 23:33:14, March 13, 2006 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | I urge the tribal council not to fall victim to this. These industries will tear apart whole families and divorce rates will go up. These are vices that this nation has done without for so long. It has long been established that these should remain illegal and we condemn the ONCP for destroying the very fabric and tradition of this nation when they promised, promised mind you, to keep traditions. |
| Date | 23:46:11, March 13, 2006 CET |
From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | We promised to build on traditions to build a better Tukarali. The laws were holding us back.
Yes these industries may be immoral but they go on anyway, so why shouldn't we have control over them! |
| Date | 00:08:55, March 14, 2006 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Legalising Industries. | | Message | Because we won't have control over them ONCP. I guess you failed to realize that. And how is this building a better Tukarali when all it was going to do is tear famillies apart and cause nothing but heartache? |
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