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Bill: RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360
Details
Submitted by[?]: Zhtál-Merlkai Tjarziprta
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4361
Description[?]:
| This bill is now being moved to vote. The vote is should the Orderist faith, which has spread to southern areas of Vanuku be given recognised religion status, yes or no? This bill requires more yes votes than no votes to pass into law. (See debate below for more details) - - - - Mr Speaker, There are reports that the Orderist faith, which blends Hosian belief with ancient Augustan mythology, has spread to the southern borderlands of our country. OOC: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=560907 There is a connection with the infamous Thaller family, with Vilhelmo-Fenisko Thaller being both Prince of the Augustans and Head of the Orderist Church. There is some talk about members of this faith being persecuted as heretics and fleeing to less populous areas. Given the situation and given the links to the Thaller family, I ask what action we should take: Should we: - Recognise the religion? - Actively seek out people who believe in this faith? - Investigate further the links with the Thaller family who we know would dearly love to get a foothold in Vanuku? - Or speak to the Zardic government to try and stop the further expansion of the faith into our country? I await responses. Nees Maes Republican Party Leader in the Grand Council |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:55:39, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Holy Army | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | This heresy is a threat to Vanuku. Not only is it an attack on our religion, but also a tool for a foreign agenda to take over our country. We should do everything we can to stop the Orderism from spreading across the Vanuku - and we should expect Zardugal to do the same thing. Káheheijkai Hdrinsrmko Kwkh - The Highest Servant |
| Date | 05:13:03, March 10, 2018 CET | From |  Sankta Alianco de Aŭgustana | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | Káheheijkai Hdrinsrmko Kwkh, the so-called "Highest Servant" calling peaceful Orderist believers heretics. This isn't surprising coming from an autocratic dictator. I believe, as many outside Vanuku do, that Holy Army is a threat to the stability of the new Republic. Orderist oppression in the States of Mkldrekrnék and Skalkárak are only one problem that the Holy Army presents in these regions. The Zardic Ministry of Defense and Zardic Ministry of Foreign Affairs will convene to see what actions our government will take if the Republic is seen as too unstable. --- Aŝton Drakoro, Minister of Defense and Head of the Executive Military |
| Date | 09:28:09, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Zhtál-Merlkai Tjarziprta | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | We would remind the Zardic Minister of Defence that this is at the debate stage. Nothing has been resolved and no decision reached. The threat of action is not necessary and we will inform his government of our decision when we have reached one. Gus De Smet Vanukean Foreign Minister |
| Date | 17:55:38, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Noble Party | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | OOC: What the hell are we voting on here? |
| Date | 18:39:24, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Zhtál-Merlkai Tjarziprta | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | OOC: whether or not orderism, which has spread from Zardugal, is a recognised religion in our country like hosianism or ahmadism is. If it is not recognised it will likely be clamped down on by the government as a cult, taxed heavily or banned completely depending on the other religious laws. |
| Date | 18:39:50, March 10, 2018 CET | From | Zhtál-Merlkai Tjarziprta | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | OOC: whether or not orderism, which has spread from Zardugal, is a recognised religion in our country like hosianism or ahmadism is. If it is not recognised it will likely be clamped down on by the government as a cult, taxed heavily or banned completely depending on the other religious laws. |
| Date | 11:04:35, March 11, 2018 CET | From | Noble Party | To | Debating the RP: Recognition of the Orderist Religion - 4360 |
| Message | OOC: Ah okay thanks for the expanation. IC: The Noble Party believes all citizens have a right to freedom of religion, and recognizes the Orderist faith as a religion within Vanuku. While religious freedoms are inalienable rights and should not be violated, the moment we believe Orderism to be a threat to Vanuku’s national security we will call for the religion to be shut down within Vanuku’s borders and take it with utmost seriousness as we would with any threat to the wellbeing of our great and powerfull nation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 294 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 240 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 66 |
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