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Bill: Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2196
Description[?]:
| We propose the restoration of the Stuart Dynasty as the Constitutional Monarchs of Alduria, and as the Royal Family. King James I, died shortly after his overthrow, however his grandson is very much alive, and is looking forward to a return of the monarchy in Alduria. If passed our Head of State shall become King James II God Save the King |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Chairman
Current: By the Grace of God, His Royal Majesty, of the House of Orléans-Vasser, Emperor of Canrille, Monarch of Lourenne, King of Kanjor, King of Alduria, King of the Rildanorians, Prince of Hutori and Kazulia, Grand Duke of Kreshar, Grand Duke of Silliers, Grand Duke of Roccato, Grand Duke of Yodukan, Duke of Weignad, Duke of Meriath, Duke of Audierne, Count of Valois, Count of Zanyal, Protector of the Orinco People, Leader of the Order of the Golden Kingdom, Knight of the Order of the Silver Rooster, Head of the Union of Canrille, Commander of the Royal Armed Forces, Defender of the Constitution and the Realm: Philippe IX
Proposed: HRH King
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:14:10, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Woot, fingers crossed, the King is coming back. |
| Date | 15:18:55, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Strange, but we don't want a fundamentally unegalitarian institution be restored. About that, does the Jacobite Party still claim control over the royal family institution ? |
| Date | 15:34:01, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | ALSP, as you are like nearly the smallest party, will shall ignore your nonsense. As to the second part, we can no longer claim that honour, due to the multiplication of Royalist Parties. Back in the fifties and sixties it was a very different matter, as the Jacobites were the only royalist party in existence, so it was natural for the Royal Family to align themselves and socially mix with Jacobite supporters, you didn't expect them to mix with your lot did you? |
| Date | 16:53:27, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Back then, you said litteraly: '"the monarchy is a Jacobite institution" http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=39202 You know, be as rude as you wich, but your actual position over the subject is incoherent with your historical one. |
| Date | 17:24:16, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Yes .. the Royal family tree does seem to be slightly out of kilter here. What happened to Princess Mary ?? I hope there has not been a Jacobite conspiracy to promote James II over the rightful succesor. |
| Date | 17:37:23, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Yes ALSP, you reinforce what we said in the above post. Back then the Monarchy was Jacobite, as the Jacobites were the only party and social group who backed the monarchy, the two relied upon one another. However as we now have five Royalist Parties, the Jacobites can no longer claim to be the only supporters of the Royal Family, hence our change. Plus where are we being rude? It is highly natural that the King wasn't going to be a fan of a Republican or Socialist Party, where is the harm in pointing that out? Surely you realised that? And to the APF, Princess Mary was one of the diehard supporters of the Jacobite Party, hence why she has been our Presidential candidate for the last three elections. Recognising the awkward nature that would arise if she became Queen, whilst also maintaining herself as a Jacobite, she has passed the baton onto her son. Also Princess Mary was not the rightful heir any longer, as pointed out by the last attempt to restore the monarchy, where James I eldest son, also James, was the rightful heir, under the system of male primogeniture (not sure on sp.), even though he was younger than his elder sister. However he was killed by an assassins bullet whilst on holiday in Deltaria. |
| Date | 17:46:48, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Dangerous place that Deltaria. Where is it exactly? |
| Date | 17:49:49, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Go up to the map, find Alduria, and keep going West, you should bump into it eventually, unless their invasion forces bump into you first. |
| Date | 18:02:11, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Ah the Dynastická Oligarchia Deltársko I presume ? Monarch murdering scum !! |
| Date | 18:09:13, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Well, most suggest it was a fishing accident that went horribly wrong. |
| Date | 18:13:54, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | This is truly wonderful, we could end up with 80% approval. |
| Date | 18:22:29, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | We're not home yet !! Remember the Pigs. |
| Date | 18:39:18, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Yes, they did leave a bad odour |
| Date | 18:55:11, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | >Plus where are we being rude? You should reread your post before my last post if your own sarcasm escapes you. This monarchy is a shame. Pretending that a lineage represent Alduria or is Alduria is just regressive. Monarchy represent a profound despise of the democratic concept of equality before law. |
| Date | 19:06:16, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | "Back in the fifties and sixties it was a very different matter, as the Jacobites were the only royalist party in existence, so it was natural for the Royal Family to align themselves and socially mix with Jacobite supporters, you didn't expect them to mix with your lot did you?" Rude? How so? |
| Date | 19:08:03, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | And the monarchy fosters national unity and national pride in the way that a President can't. |
| Date | 20:35:51, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | "ALSP, as you are like nearly the smallest party, will shall ignore your nonsense." So, the JP admit not to be able to their own sarcasm. Anyway, that's not the point, you could debate the subject instead of foccusing on an unrelated matter. The point is the short lived Aldurian monarchy was one of the darkest moment in the Aldurian history. It's a fact. There is nothing related to this monarchy to be proud of. Moreover, as our party said in an old debate, the national pride comes from democracy, rule of law and social equity. Nobody needs a non elected figure to be proud of being Aldurian. |
| Date | 21:44:22, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | I would have to disagree with the Chairman here. Surely a monarch gives a nation a sense of history and tradition? |
| Date | 22:05:48, March 07, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | >Surely a monarch gives a nation a sense of history and tradition? Thats a personnal viewpoint. However, could we talk of 'tradition' when it was instaured artificially ? Above all, this 'tradition' revealed to be a curse and a national shame rather than anything useful. |
| Date | 00:12:20, March 08, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Yes, and your view of patriotism is also a personal viewpoint, the chief difference being that the idea of supporting the monarchy as being patriotic is the more popular viewpoint. As for short lived monarchy, that is not true at all, the monarch reigned for twenty-six years, far longer than any party has held the position of HoS. Morever your view that the monarchy was a dark point is totally untrue. Alduria was at its greatest under the monarchy, it actually got involved in international affairs, unlike the present situation, where until recently it has lacked any purpose internally, let alone externally. And lets remember the monarchy is the nation, therefore it can't be a national shame. The ALSP and their marxist allies are not patriots, don't claim to be. |
| Date | 00:20:36, March 08, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Besides, no-one has done more to help the poor than the Jacobites. |
| Date | 14:48:24, March 08, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | >As for short lived monarchy, that is not true at all, the monarch reigned for twenty-six years, far longer than any party has held the position of HoS. That's normal, it is called democratic succession of power... >And lets remember the monarchy is the nation, therefore it can't be a national shame. Placing anything symbolically above Alduria, its State or its People is an unpatriotic national shame. Period. >Besides, no-one has done more to help the poor than the Jacobites. Repression very help the poor, sure. |
| Date | 19:52:43, March 09, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | >That's normal, it is called democratic succession of power... but then you cannot claim the monarchy was short lived >Placing anything symbolically above Alduria, its State or its People is an unpatriotic national shame. Period. once again, the monarchy is the nation, placing anything else above the monarchy is very unpatriotic >Repression very help the poor, sure. Er, the party that has most consistently supported state health and education, is, dun dun dun dun, the Jacobite Party |
| Date | 19:33:17, March 10, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | >but then you cannot claim the monarchy was short lived I can. Twenty-six years is indeed short for a monarchy. >once again, the monarchy is the nation, placing anything else above the monarchy is very unpatriotic The People is the nation. The People holds the national sovereignty (it was recognised by the constitution, even in the last monarchy: "The Kingdom of Alduria is a Sovereign and Democratic Nation and the Sovereign Power belongs to the people of the Kingdom of Alduria."). >Er, the party that has most consistently supported state health and education, is, dun dun dun dun, the Jacobite Party That is discutable. Your party recently voted for every interventionist proposal, true. However, your party is responsible and / or approved tons of cuts in education and healtcare (to funnel the funds into the military budget). So, dun dun dun dun, the Jacobites never lifted a finger for the poors. |
| Date | 10:36:20, April 26, 2006 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Restoration of the Stuart Dynasty |
| Message | Granted the second one was true, but the other two are blatently untrue. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 291 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 76 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 34 |
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