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Bill: Republic Act of 4391
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hwanghu Dang Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4392
Description[?]:
| With this bills passing Dankuk will become a Republic: We,the Republican Party of Dankuk have decided both to rebrand ourselves from the Democratic Nationalists Party to the Republican Party and propose this bill due to something we have witnessed over the last few years. All strong and powerful nations are republics or at least were republics during there time as a great power. I believe this has to do with the people and there willingness to sell themselves for a system they participate in. Not one that decides there fates without even hearing there voice. So I propose the following to create said republic: Article I 1)The Head of State while remaining in power and having the ability to pick a successor will have no powers besides ceremonial ones 2)The Head of Government will hold all executive powers 3)It is illegal for any relative of the Head of State to run for the office of Head of Government. 4)The Imperial Palace will no longer be the home of the Head of Government and instead we propose building a House for which all Heads of Government preside and leave once there terms are up. 5)No person shall be elected to the office of the Head of Government more than twice, and no person who has held the office of Head of Government , or acted as Head of Government , for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected Head of Government shall be elected to the office of Head of Government more than once. These term lengths will be five years each. Section II Below are revised guidelines for who may serve as Head of Government: 1)No immigrant,legal or not,may serve as Head of Government 2)No one not of the age of 35 may serve as Head of Government 3)No one who has not resided in Dankuk for 35 years may serve as Head of Government 4)No one convicted of a crime can serve as Head of Government These changes are for the betterment of Dankuk and will lead to her revival |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:23:42, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Sunrise Party 해돋이당 | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | This is treason and shall oppose this, this denies the sovereignty of heaven and trys to import the feeble legitimacy of desire common in immoral west. The nonsense about republics being more progressive is western supremacist lies, as many Republics are backwards nations and at least 3 out of 4 of the world superpowers are monarchies. |
| Date | 00:30:56, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | This is not treason This is the people demanding representation The West has some of our greatest allies and we must westernize to survive This means giving the people the ability to make decisions for themselves This bill will pass and it will be the reality of our land |
| Date | 00:50:11, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Sunrise Party 해돋이당 | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | They have representatives in parliament. This is simply a petulent tantrum because your party was expelled from cabinet. Even so it still mistakenly assumes sovereignty is with the people instead of heaven. This bill needs 2/3 to be considered constitutionally legitimate, at this point it is simply a resolution. Those are western nations, not eastern. Why should import this foreign ideology and lose our connection to the past? Why aren't we demanding the west adopt eastern ideology? It is foreign and has no right to be in Dankuk. Republicanism is illegitimate form of Government as it is not in conformity with historical-cultural legitimacy or sacred legitimacy. |
| Date | 01:09:44, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | The people are not represented by a parliament that can be dismissed at any time and who’s word can be thrown out by a monarch There is a reason we continue to allow the monarch to have the head of state position even if she lacks any power. Culture. We left her there because she is important to us however we still believe that the people should govern themselves. And if you do consider this treason well I guess that means civil war. And I guarantee you’ll that war. |
| Date | 01:20:45, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Sunrise Party 해돋이당 | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | So what you are proposing is constitutional monarchy, which is what we already have actually. The power you claim the empress has does not exist as the parliament has never been dismissed. As for threatening civil war, we can win. We've won previous civil wars in past. The fact you are trying to start one is enough grounds for treason charge. We'll leave it to the empress whether to pursue that charge. |
| Date | 01:25:18, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Sunrise Party 해돋이당 | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | OOC: A civil war RP I will not consent to, for any RP decisions to be valid it requires 2/3 of players to agree. Any attempt to pursue such without consent of players in Dankuk will result in being reported to moderation. |
| Date | 01:28:37, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | This is a crown republic As for the threat of treason if that charge is pressed we will fight back If necessary through force Now I didn’t threaten civil war I said that the charge of treason is a declaration of war upon both us and our communist allies The empress will obviously chase that charge and cast us out due to the fact we wish to create a Democratic Land |
| Date | 09:46:01, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party (보수당) | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | You have almost admitted you support communism and now right wing party does that You will never be able to fight the empress and her forces She will force on a treason law and you should all reconsider your actions |
| Date | 13:34:09, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | I do not agree with them on multiple issues but they are my allies and I am loyal. Perhaps you should be too. If the empress attempts to try any of my members for treason we will fight back |
| Date | 13:55:53, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party (보수당) | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | We are loyal but we are not puppets in the hands of another party. Keeping to party line is just as important as having allies. We have supported the PSP and ITP on many occasions. Just because you are allies does not mean you have to agree on every issue If the empress was forced to take action, she will not trial any of your members. Like her mother, she will have them executed without trial if she was really forced to. We stress the really forced to bit as the empress does not want to get involved but your not leaving her with much choice at the moment |
| Date | 14:02:14, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | We are not puppets either. We have allies and we must defend them. I highly doubt you would do the same. So she would be a dictator? No trial means no rightful representation or justice. That is not what a democracy is. And this continues to prove the empress only wishes to maintain her position through any means necessary The empress can do one thing. Accept this proposal and let the people rule while she remains as Head of state. Not a very difficult decision. |
| Date | 14:09:45, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party (보수당) | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | Actually this proposal has failed. Whilst it says yo need a majority, this is because you have no articles. Such a change requires 2/3's to vote yes which you have failed to reach By still enforcing it, you will be trying to turn Dankuk into a communist dictatorship state You have failed in your mission. The only reason the empress would need to take action now is if you don't accept that you didn't get a 2/3 majority to change Dankuk in such a significant way The empress is not a dictator as she has never done anything in that way before. If she has to step outline to protect her people then she will but that doesn't mean she wont use a democratic style to do so |
| Date | 14:24:58, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | Even if it has failed to reach the goal I’ve proven a message. The people want a republic. Will you do want they demand? We are doing the very opposite of a dictatorship. We are opening up freedom and democracy to the people. It is the only way we can advance in his modern world. The empress has dictatorial powers and has no checks and balances. That is a perfect powder keg for a dictator. You’ve just stated that the empress will use dictatorial powers against my party. Make up your mind. Will he empress use democracy or dictatorship |
| Date | 14:32:33, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party (보수당) | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | You have not proven anything. You do not have your 2/3's so not everyone wants a republic You want to create a bridge for communism which will not be tolerated If you allowed the fairer Lese Majeste law that the ITP proposed then she will have not have military powers at all Unfortunately for you, the empress is very intelligent in her ways. She will always follow the rules of democracy but telling you her plans would not be a safe thing to do |
| Date | 14:45:47, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | 64.5% of the populous want a republic. Tell me how is that not proving a message. I am not communist and will always oppose some of there ideas however the PSP and I both wish for a republic and that is where we find common ground. In fighting for a republic. If the Lese Majeste laws were still in place most of the leaders of my party would’ve been executed by now. Then why does she continue to oppose a republic if she is so for democracy. I think she’s more keen on military dictatorship. |
| Date | 15:30:39, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Conservative Party (보수당) | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | Let us remind you. Not all your voters will want a republic. Voters don't agree with everything for every party! The likelihood is maybe 50% of the populations will want it or even less You are fighting for a communist revolution or moreover you want to ruin our political system to hand the nation over to Indrala Your party is not loyal to the empress or Dankuk which is the only reason you don't pass it She opposes some of your ridiculous ages. 35 is very high. You are excluding the whole younger generation making them look unsuitable and makes you look like you cant trust them. Our leader Melanie Park was 32 when she became leader. Age is just a number and we believe she would have done an amazing job but under these rules your party deny the people like her the chances to show her potential Your so called republic act is more like a transition to communism |
| Date | 18:35:43, May 12, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | I held a poll with my party members. 93% supported a republic. We are doing what they ask us. Like a democracy should run. Not by a monarch but by the people. I am fighting for a republic damnit. Isn’t that plain and obvious. Perhaps your party leaders are as stupid as a box of rocks because the act is called The Republic Act. It in no way is a communist bill. I am loyal to Dankuk. The empresses recent behavior and refusal to take up my offer has diminished my trust in her however I remain committed to finding a peaceful switching of governments. If she doesn’t want that then all respect for her is gone. 35 allows only the most professional to take the post of head of Government and it prevents newcomers from simply bribing there way to the top. It is a fail safe against both dictatorships and bad prime ministers. My republic will thrive with or without you. |
| Date | 00:15:44, May 13, 2018 CET | From | Sunrise Party 해돋이당 | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | I'd love to see how you are coming up with these numbers...ine minute its 67% next its 93%. Tomorrow it'll be 200% Henry Park *ITP members laugh* |
| Date | 01:14:11, May 13, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | You moron are a moron Mr. Park We were discussing number of citizens within Dankuk when the 64.5 numbers were addressed Later we told the CP of our recent poll within the Republican Party that 93% supported a republic Perhaps if you were less busy with cracking jokes perhaps your party would be larger |
| Date | 01:14:39, May 13, 2018 CET | From | Hwanghu Dang Party | To | Debating the Republic Act of 4391 |
| Message | You moron are a moron Mr. Park We were discussing number of citizens within Dankuk when the 64.5 numbers were addressed Later we told the CP of our recent poll within the Republican Party that 93% supported a republic Perhaps if you were less busy with cracking jokes perhaps your party would be larger |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 158 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 97 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: It is not allowed to call more than 5 elections in 5 game years in a nation. The default sanction for a player persisting in the early election tactic will be a seat reset. |
| Random quote: "You will win, but you will not convince. You will win, because you possess more than enough brute force, but you will not convince, because to convince means to persuade. And in order to persuade you would need what you lack, reason and right in the struggle." - Miguel de Unamuno |