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Bill: Khassadim Platform - 4414
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kaviysh ‘Horim
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4415
Description[?]:
| This is a platform to promote Yeudic law in the land of Ariel’s chosen people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Current: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Proposed: Public blasphemy is considered a criminal offense.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding sexually explicit material on broadcast television.
Old value:: Sexually explicit material is allowed, but violent or hard core pornography is banned.
Current: Sexually explicit material is allowed, but violent or hard core pornography is banned.
Proposed: Nudity on television is banned.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning who can proceed with adoption; in case adoption is legal.
Old value:: Everyone may adopt children.
Current: Everyone may adopt children.
Proposed: Only heterosexual couples and singles may adopt children.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Appointment of military officers
Old value:: Military officers are only appointed through battlefield commission.
Current: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Proposed: The Ministry of Defense is authorized to appoint military officers.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Policy of the government concerning the funding of abortions
Old value:: The government only funds abortions for medical emergencies.
Current: The government provides funding for abortions.
Proposed: The government provides funding for abortions.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change The workers' right to strike.
Old value:: All workers have the right to strike.
Current: All workers have the right to strike.
Proposed: All workers, except certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society, have the right to strike.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change The teacher's right to discipline children.
Old value:: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Current: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Proposed: Discipline levels are set by local governments.
Article 11
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on animal welfare in livestock farming.
Old value:: The government enforces high animal welfare standards.
Current: Animal welfare laws for livestock farming are set by local governments.
Proposed: The government enforces religious codes for livestock farming.
Article 12
Proposal[?] to change Commercial fishing regulation.
Old value:: The government establishes fishing quotas.
Current: Local governments can establish fishing quotas
Proposed: Local governments can establish fishing quotas
Article 13
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on sexual relations.
Old value:: Sexual relations of all types are legal for consenting adults.
Current: Sexual relations of all types are legal for consenting adults.
Proposed: Homosexual relations are illegal, but are not prosecuted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:35:03, June 26, 2018 CET | From | Kadima Beiteynu | To | Debating the Khassadim Platform - 4414 |
| Message | (OOC: I don't have a ton of time, so I just responded to the articles that struck me the most.) Blasphemy laws? You claim that you want to promote Yeudish laws, but this paints a completely different picture. To be Yeudish is to ask questions. Our Lmed, by insisting we question, allows us to doubt. The Lmed which contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including Yeudi law, Yeudi ethics, philosophy, customs, history, lore and many other topics. The Lmed is the basis for all codes of Yeudi law and is much quoted in rabbinic literature. You know what the Lmed is filled with? Disagreements, doubts, and questions. Our religion is an intellectual one. Its holy scriptures are filled with questions, some to which there are no answers. If we illegalize Blasphemy (Blasphemy: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God) then we are basically illegalizing the questioning, or doubting of our religion. There is very little that I could think of that would be a bigger affront to Yeudish values. If we passed this bill, we might as well drop the "Yeudish" from "Yeudish Republic of Beiteynu." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The government has no right to ridicule how people live their lives when they aren't hurting anyone. How does stopping homosexuals from adopting kids help anyone? Here's a thought experiment: There are 1000 orphans in Beiteynu. There are 200 heterosexual couples looking to adopt, which leaves 800 Beiteynuese children having a terrible life in an orphanage. But wait, there are also 50 homosexual couples looking to adopt as well! Which means that 50 more kids get to leave their hellish situation behind and start a new life with a family that will keep them fed, sheltered, educated, and cared for. |
| Date | 18:05:28, June 27, 2018 CET | From | Kaviysh ‘Horim | To | Debating the Khassadim Platform - 4414 |
| Message | Blasphemy does not constitute doubt about faith or questioning of faith. People of faith at times do stray. Questioning within reason and having doubts about faith are simply part of the human condition. The Katub inudes many beautiful stories of Elyon testing the faith of our forefathers, usually with them resolute in the end. The Lmed is a spiritual document concerning rabbinic opinions upon doctrine, tradition, history, and customs. However blasphemy is not mere questioning. Blasphemy is a profane act against Elyon’s power and divinity, and against therefore the people and the nature of the Yeudi state. As a Yeudi state it is fully within the authority placed upon the rabbis and the secular government to penalize blasphemous acts which denigrate God and scriptures. The 15th century teacher, Artapharias of Sir, wrote within the Lmed “Ariel condemned the blasphemer many times within his life and the Katub, in the oldest history of our people as found in the Katub, those who profane the sanctuary and holy objects are deservedly stricken down with pox.” Further, my predecessor and father, the late Sholemberger Rebbe, Binyamin-Asa Barnebaum, wrote “in the lands where our people have been persecuted and suffered, blasphemy against Yeudi faithful, especially Khassids, has been encouraged and permitted. It is in itself blasphemous to permit blasphemous words and deeds In Beiteynu, the land Elyon promised to our people, for when we refuse to discontinue the acts for which our people were punished in the old Katub, and were persecuted with, we are of little faith and thanks for his beneficience.” Blasphemy, as in words and acts that are hostile and demeaning towards Aryel, scripture, and holy objects, should not be tolerated by the Yeudi state. The Lmed is clear, the Katub teaches through example, and our modern teachers have reiterated that this has not changed. As for homosexuality, the teachers have been very clear that sodomy is a grave offense against Ariel. The katub explicitly prohibits sodomitic acts as “an abomination and offense” and that “those who commit sodomy shall be unclean for two fortnights.” Within the Lmed, Kophrynius, an old Seleucian rabbi, states regarding his community “I recieve many letters and many complaints as to the question of sodomy. To which I say, the Katub is clear, the decadence of gentiles may be left amongst them, but what is not kasser, we shall shun, and what the gentiles say to us is of no matter.” The Lmed is clear, and many times both holy word and the teachers reiterate the importance of the father role and maternal role. We cannot stray from natural and spiritual law. If we wish to leave people to their privacy, we may, but a Yeudi state cannot condone Yeudis doing what is not kasser. —- Rabbi Schlomo Barnebaum Sholemberger Rabbi |
| Date | 02:01:30, June 28, 2018 CET | From | Beis Din-Katum | To | Debating the Khassadim Platform - 4414 |
| Message | The party will vote for this for sake of positions, but we oppose devolving so much economic power to local governments, and we also oppose Article 8 funding abortion and we agree with Kadima's position on child adoptions. So we aye, but with an asterisk. We do not agree with everything here, and were this to pass, we would vote no. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 33 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 87 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "A wise ruler ought never to keep faith when by doing so it would be against his interests." - Niccolo Machiavelli |