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Bill: Tax Act of 2199
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2200
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 12
Current: 12
Proposed: 10
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on essential goods such as food and non-luxury clothing.
Old value:: 0
Current: 4
Proposed: 1
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 17
Current: 27
Proposed: 15
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:38:02, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Ah the bill " Let's make Turkali Nation poor". We oppose all th ree articles as we do beleive that the income gained on the current taxation can be used on other things then a tax-drop. |
| Date | 09:57:20, March 14, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | oppose all three. |
| Date | 11:25:24, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | opposing all three |
| Date | 15:43:14, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Oh my god. I cannot believe people are against making our nation richer. It is a known fact that if you lower taxes, the nation will actually have more income as people will be able to spend more of the money they save from taxes. Economic growth will also go up as companies will be able to invest more money into their companies and hire more workers thus getting them off of minimium wage. So I have to ask why people are against economic growth. |
| Date | 17:13:56, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | That is if you are above the equilibrium in your tax-ation level. Decreasing taxes does not per automatic make the nation richer, if the taxes are to high, then they do most certainly increase the income. But if the taxation level is at its optimal equillibrium level, the top of the Price-kurve, as all us financials know the taxation curve is a bow, it has it's peak, and if you taxate higher then the peak, it will start to slope down. And we beleive that the taxation level is correct for article 1,3. The motivation for article 2 to oppose is that if we have it at zero we will continue to promote growth of the population and such, and the welfare. So we oppose. |
| Date | 17:32:14, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | If you cut taxes, you are putting more money into the economy as people will spend more on themselves and if you cut taxes for businesses, they'll invest more money into the company and they will be able to hire more workers thus decrease the unemployment rate. This is a known fact. I am surprised that the SCP is opposed to this but then, them being a socialist party it does not surprise me that they know nothing of taxes or taxation (minues the dash as there is no dash) because they want the government to have a monopoly on everything. |
| Date | 19:23:26, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Have you even studied a single point in National Economy, or even been at a bank or anywhere. Taxes is not there to hinder progress, by your darn logic we would be better of not taking any taxes at all. Taxes are there to be at the level where Companies are not halted in progress, but sufficient taxation is granted to the government to maintain their levels. Your analysis is the very basic foundation of economics, but takes nothing into account such as assymetric information, demand curves, product-curves, supply-curves, and not even the foundation of Average Cost measures. By dropping taxes do have the effect you speak of, naturally, but you have to see it in perspective. Does lowering taxes 2 % gain a 2% gain to the society, or more ? If we are taking out to much taxes, yes, then it could be like we drop 2% taxes, and we gain 5% for the nation. But if you are at the peak, a drop in taxes would have no effect, or even negative. For the money lost in taxation grants less then the taxation level does, and if you go even further down on the taxation curve it get's worse. One should always strive to have the Optimum Taxation Level, and we do not beleive this is it. And We see that the Rightish Party has not stopped their essessive namecalling and childish attitude that is so common in populist parties with their simple sollutions "Lower taxes, and we will have heaven on earth" logic to appease the average voter. |
| Date | 19:40:26, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | I suggest the SCP to go back and learn a few things about Economics because it is apparent they know nothing about the subject. Point: If companies are forced to pay high taxes, there will be less capital for them to invest back into their company and they will not be able to hire new workers. Infact, they might have to lay people off.'' Point: If people are forced to pay high taxes, they will have less to spend on items for their families. Point: By decreasing taxes for the individual, they will have more to spend on their families. This will put more money into the national economy as a whole. Point: By decreasing taxes for companies, they will be able to hire more workers and re-invest capital for newer equipment. These are facts that cannot be argued. |
| Date | 23:00:45, March 14, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Point : yes, if they are forced to pay high taxes. But high is not defined in whatever the Rightish party feels is high. The taxation level shall be at the peak of the level, not higher then that for that has bad effect. And we do not feel that the taxes are high. Point: Yes, but one has to look at the broader picture and nto be so naive for by that logic we should not have any taxes at all. Point: Yes but we have to have state-income, as much as possible withotu harming the population. And that is why every sane national economists ALWAYS Seak to have Equilibrium. Not to have a fanatic frenzy and have it so low that the government looses to much cash and the individuals do not have the society, the caring society whom can uphold them. Point: Same here, they always seek equilibrium, |
| Date | 05:30:24, March 15, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Good luck in finding that out SCP. No science is perfect and what maybe good for one company is ruinous for another. I believe you already know that but do not care that other companies are getting massively hurt by the taxes they are paying now. To your second point, I don't believe anyone is being that naive. Taxes are a necessary evil unfortunately. to your third point, our population is already being harmed through various other means. Point four, again, good luck with the math on that. No two companies are alike and have different equilibriums. *points to the 1st point* |
| Date | 11:25:04, March 15, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | I think SCP explained it pretty well.. |
| Date | 14:47:08, March 15, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | You would think that but unfortunately, his explaination reaks of socialism and economic hardship. |
| Date | 18:09:01, March 15, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | That is a myth and one I'm surprised you have fallen into. |
| Date | 18:43:38, March 15, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Actually, it isn't a myth. I have heard the old socialist parties use the same lines that the SCP is using. |
| Date | 08:22:40, March 16, 2006 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tax Act of 2199 |
| Message | Maybe because there is an Optimum Taxation Level? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 66 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 176 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 57 |
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