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Bill: Nationalising Defence
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Thomasian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2202
Description[?]:
| Defence industries cannot be left in the hands of people who care only about their own profit margins above the safety of the nation. We may as well privatise the army! Anyone who will only sell weapons to his nation's army for a profit is no patriot and cannot be relied upon. Defense must come under the control of the state, for the safety of the nation! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:57:40, March 17, 2006 CET | From | Mordusian Individualists | To | Debating the Nationalising Defence |
| Message | the state is it's own vice. It sound good on paper when you brandish words such as patriotism but when it comes down to it, state run firms are are generally less efficient and have to be propped up with subsidies and government money used elsewhere. Competition in the marketplace weeds out weak firms and leaves the firm that produces the best quality and cheapest weaponry there, and surely that is what is best for the state? To doubt the patriotism and loyalty of private business is to doubt the patriotism and loyalty of the state because the state is the people! we do not need state run firms leaning on tax money to keep it profitable and employing the unemployed. So no, this is a pointless, irrational and costly proposal. |
| Date | 16:57:22, March 17, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the Nationalising Defence |
| Message | A few rich men owning armenants factories are not the people. The vast body of ordinary workers, they are the people. The rich man does not care fro them and he does not care about the state as lobng as he can keep his money. |
| Date | 17:19:25, March 17, 2006 CET | From | Mordusian Individualists | To | Debating the Nationalising Defence |
| Message | Then I would contend that it is only the states right to make sure workers are treated in a way that is fair, but do you still deny that competition does not lead to greater efficiency? Profit and money are the driving force behind everything, otherwise why would a woker work, a businessman set up business or a civil servant take up a government job. Profit is in everything, no? If profit and money is the motive, and our whole economy is built upon it, then should we not function within that framework? Capitalism is driven by competition, competition increases efficiency, efficiency means better products. That is the fundamental principle. A state run firm will only create a grade of weaponry lower than the potential created by a private company because it has nothing to compete with, it will only bloat with bureacracy and serve to hinder any defensive or offensive war effort we carry out. |
| Date | 19:37:08, March 17, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the Nationalising Defence |
| Message | Profit has been made the guiding force by the rich and foolish but it is a poor one and one that does not fit with the vision passed down to us by the prophet Thomas. Mordus has blessed us with this nation and it is our duty to defend it for exactly that reason, not for profit. When a state servant is put in charge of a weapons factory it becomes his duty to ensure that the weapons produced are of the highest standard. If he fails to do so he will be removed because he will have failed his nation. |
| Date | 22:56:28, March 17, 2006 CET | From | The Mordusian Green Party | To | Debating the Nationalising Defence |
| Message | We have gone on the record saying we want the government out of the war business. So we oppose. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 160 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 177 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 262 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow real-life brand names (eg. Coca Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft). However, in the case of military equipment brand names it is permitted to use simple number-letter combinations (eg. T-90 and F-22) borrowed from real life, and also simple generic names, like those of animals (eg. Leopard and Jaguar). |
| Random quote: "Civil disobedience. . . is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem." - Howard Zinn |