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Bill: Return of the democratic process Bill

Details

Submitted by[?]: National Liberal Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 4530

Description[?]:

We shall return to democratic process! Parties should no longer been forced to a small quota and such enforce a higher number through which parties can propose and debate. Is fair and more democratic. People want active parties, and you want to be able to propose bills.
Who agrees with me?
Until now:
-RLP
-IFA

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date15:33:35, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageThe bill put repackaged. HDpR why do you not support it? You accused me of changing political stances, seems that you too. You were one of the biggest supporters with me and DCM to support a bill that keeps high number of bills. You changed, we are humans, we change. Recognize that you changed.

Also this bill is for broader freedoms for parties to do something in the first place.

Date16:09:42, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWhere is the bill where i voted for increased number of proposals?

Date16:10:31, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
Messagewait

Date16:12:10, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWhelp you abstained from voting. I confused DCM with you. Sorry. You can downvote this

Date16:13:24, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageStill this may pass.

Date16:13:53, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWe didn't want to show this but ok if you like party conflicts:
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=591698
Still have to thank RLP for support of anti spam act.

Date16:14:12, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageOther parties. If you want democracy and be able to push agendas more or at least have quota when needed vote yes. Will improve your freedom of playing the game. This is not spamming, you can propose more and change more.

Date16:14:22, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWe didn't want to show this but ok if you like party conflicts:
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=591698
Still have to thank RLP for support of anti spam act.

Date16:15:33, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageI already told them that I was tricked that it wont be that bad. I tried my best. I saw it again popping up and I though it cannot be bad. I made a big mistake. People do stupid things. My stupid thing done is to support it.

Date16:16:15, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageHDpR Wants to maintain low bill level so everyone is limited. If you want the freedom to vote what you want more often and change things faster vote yes.

Date16:26:42, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageI am human, but HDpR forgets that we are humans, he expects me not doing mistakes. I did it, I recognize I once thought that spam act is not that bad, turned out that it hurt the gameplay. Now I realize my mistake that I voted yes without thinking twice on it. As such I will try to not repeat the mistake ever. I am a human, I change. HDpR is a robot.

Date16:33:12, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAlso HDpR is invited to give strong arguments why this should not be raised. I am curious what he hides. Show yourself!

Date16:40:58, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageSo not doing mistakes is of course a drawback which makes a political party non-human, or is it automatically negative to not agreeing with RLP?

Date16:42:28, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageIs automatically wrong not recognizing people are failable and not perfect. I do mistakes, you ? That why I told you are robot. You still avoid telling reasons why opposing this bill. Scared cat...

Date16:43:09, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAt least I try responding and proving my point, you? You just pinpoint with the blame finger right and left. Stop it. Try to give reasons for your actions and stop cherry-picking wrongdoings of the other.

Date16:45:50, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageTrying to prove others is wrong does not give you excuse to be wrong too.

Date16:46:51, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAnd is also not constructive. Try to be more polite. Stop trying to show other that do bad things and start doing for this country. You deserve few seats, as you all known is to argue without producing something better for people. During my terms in office I did lots of things. You? Blaming...

Date16:47:41, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageThis is going were I expected. HDpR tries just to blame others so they can look angels. Nothing more to be expected from HDpR...

Date16:52:21, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWe want a political environment where parties don't eazily change their poltical opinions. It's also good for Rutanian peoples if they have timr to get used to the the law before it changes again.

Date16:53:29, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWe want a political environment where parties don't eazily change their poltical opinions. It's also good for Rutanian peoples if they have timr to get used to the the law before it changes again.

Date16:55:55, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageFirst argument is flawed, that is the logic of the game. Also first one resonates with the other one.
So second and first arguments point the same thing. That we should not be able to be active. This game does not detail how law is publicized. How there are no many laws people can easily know what is going on. Also this is just a RP mechanic attempt, people in this game are just numbers. And last. Where do you know people cannot adapt or the Gov has a easy to check official legislation policy.
As I said. You have no true reasons to oppose, just fake ones. So please say your real reasons or better one.

Date16:56:18, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageUntil then, you seem to just unreasonably opposing the right of the party to be active.

Date17:00:30, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAnd we recommend RLP to calm down as they accually accused and verbaly attacked us much more times that we did against them. We also had evidence to our arguments.

Date17:02:44, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageScared cat is not bad trash talk. We did not sweared or use ugly language. If you feel offended then apologizies from me. But still, you cherry-pick wrongdoings without truly winning the argument. We still wait to know why you search so desperately to stop this bill with true reasons. Also we are curious to know why you focus more on showing other parties wrongdoings than trying to do something real for Rutania than just creating fake drama.

Date17:04:55, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageStart arguing with reasons:
-Why you desperate to stop this (real reasons not just fake RP)
-Why you want to just show wrongdoings instead of making this country truly better
-Even if you have proves that I did talked bad to you still does not excuse yourself from your pinpointing behaviour of trying to lay blame on others.

Think wise at this three points and show me real reasons. Still waiting...

Date17:09:55, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWorth saying that RLP have a great party speaker. The party still talks like a winner when they lose debate.

"Doing something real for Rutania" don't has to be proposing bills It can also be preventing the country from negative changes.

Date17:12:38, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageYes you have right with this point. One good point, I realize when I am right. For example now I did a mistake. You win this small debate. But still avoiding the other questions. Tell their answers and you might win. Not telling reasons it might make you look like runing cat.

Date17:15:22, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageOOC: We are playing a RP game, and everything inside the game is RP and not real. I don't personally hate RLP just because it is my political enemy inside the game. That's why I can only give arguments from RP.

Please keep the conversation RP. Thank you.

Date17:16:12, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageOur RP reason is shown further up in this bill.

Date17:16:57, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageSee? I can realize when I am wrong, unlike you , I never said I am right. I prove my points until realize you are right. For now I am showing that I loose sometimes, as always, meanwhile you still try to look perfect and not accept a single point of me being right. Are you perfect? Answer the question. You seem to like answering to this one with yes. While for me, I am not perfect, I do mistakes, I am not always calm and polite and sometimes I propose bad bills and change my political vies on certain laws. See? I am a HUMAN. You still did not passed the test of humanity.

Date17:22:11, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWe are neither perfect. Thats the answer. But we have the right to express our opinions, and to have debate when needed.
OOC:And when you said: You still did not passed the test of humanity, do you meant the party, party leader or me the player?

Date17:23:53, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageThe party , this is roleplay not OOC, we do not attack the person player, but rather the party.

Date17:24:27, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageOOC: I do not have nothing with you, I do not know you in real life so I cannot have an opinion on you. I act as response to your party responses.

Date17:24:33, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAlso, we have agreed with RLP on a few bills. So it's accually not "not accept a single point of me being right"

Date17:24:47, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageLike leaders. I talk from my people party to your. Leader to leader

Date17:26:05, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageI am not tallking about bills, but still you have right here. Whelp. Humanity

Date17:27:58, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageAlso what a long line of comments, never saw one so large.

Date17:30:08, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageIG: Nice debate
IC: We decided to vote against this bill.

Date17:32:05, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageIs nothing. The debate was good one. You have won some points, proved your point on this bill but without reasonable motive from my perspective and you proved why you lay blame on me. I do mistakes XD. For now. The debate is moderately won by you, but on things that do not implicate this bill. This bill is still good, but you defeated me on other things.

Date17:33:52, February 11, 2019 CET
FromHosian Democratic party of Rutania
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageIG: Thanks for debate anyways.

Date17:36:52, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageIG; Passed sometime from my last debates. Lol I have intelligence and capability but love to rush, that destroys my arguments. Lol. I could easily won and avoid mistakes, but human happens.

Date20:51:15, February 11, 2019 CET
FromNational Liberal Party
ToDebating the Return of the democratic process Bill
MessageWinning touch

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Total Seats: 72

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Total Seats: 119


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