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Bill: OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4550
Description[?]:
| OOC: We feel user Governor2 (user controlling what used to be BDL) has disregarded the spirit of this game and what our country Solentia is about from a roleplay perspective. I played on this server hundreds of years ago, and I’ve never seen a party so blatantly trolling from a roleplay perspective, and it’s clear that Governor2 doesn’t care about ensuring this country is a fun and safe environment for political roleplay. They have promised executed of party members in various parties (against game rules), they have literally and specifically threatened to throw my party leader in a homosexual concentration camp, and they have pushed a roleplay experience that’s explicitly anti-fun. This is not how this game is supposed to be played, and I believe they know this, but don’t care. However, we do not look to ban Governor2. We would’ve contacted moderation, as we find there to be evidence they have continually broken game rules. If anyone else wants to reach out to moderation regarding them, be my guest. However, we want their presence in Solentia, and I personally enjoy Governor2 and think they’re funny and beneficial to this server. I don’t know the context to how HDA was banned, and we certainly regret them leaving. If Governor2 has a role in them getting banned, we truly are ashamed of Governor2. This legislation action, if passed, will make a 2 year roleplay timeout for Governor2. This includes RP legislation. Anything that Governor2 says regarding events happening in this country and executive action will be ignored and not considered factual or legitimate. Any opinions on anything will be taken as legitimate, but we are not to react to or respect comments from Governor2 regarding roleplay things. For example, when Governor2 says they’re not going to enforce separation of church and state in our country and that they’re going to execute people, both are to be ignored and not included in our roleplay narrative. We believe that this server is a simulation of parliamentary coalition government. Governor2 wants to troll and play as a dictator, but they should do so reasonably, and they have gone beyond the realm of what is fun. We are excited to see Governor2 post an apology so we can make this country a fun environment for political roleplay again. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:48:31, March 23, 2019 CET | From |  Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: We will switch our vote to a no if Governor2 posts an apology. |
| Date | 23:03:52, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: This post is creating a very bad situation and is escalating a situation which does not need escalation. Essentially you try to solve an IC-matter through OOC action and I don't think that is in order. You seem to be furstrated that you cannot get into government and accept that other players want different things and use different methods just like rl-parties do. Moreover proper rp requieres you to use the Particracy Forum, which you did not do any yet you claim to have so much expierence. You already insulted me and you continue to insult me by saying I am "trolling". Again, I disagree with that and I am deeply hurt by this accusation. I am also hurt by your statement because you do not provide any evidence for what rules I have allgedly broken and it would be nice if you could do so. Furthermore you go on to suggest that I had something to do with the banning of the HDA without any proof whatsoever. Again, that is not fair and proper. And also you choose to deceive the rest of the players, because I just told you that I ordered noone to execute another in game person and yet you use this against me. What you are doing is simply illegal and if i would follow your suggestion here I would act illegaly: 1.) You try to solve a in game problem by ooc measures 2.) You try to dictate to my in game people what they should do 3.) You try to dictate to me how I should play this game and simply don't recognaize that my party wants to abolish democracy and create a one-party state, which is allowed under Particracy. To sum up: You creating a very advisarial climate here and i don't think that is right. |
| Date | 23:07:49, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Ah and of course another point: There is no basis in rp-law which covers your proposed action and as result this vote is meaningless. |
| Date | 23:17:26, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: My siggestion would be to establish a RP-committee for Solentia in which all players can particpate and put forward their ideas and where we can discuss to prevent any further problems in future. |
| Date | 23:27:52, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Here are the rules regarding this: -- 5c. RP laws are generally prohibited from banning specific political parties and ideological groups; however with appropriate background RP and justification, a country may ban specific political parties and ideological groups. Nations that do this must follow the procedure for normally passing a constitutional law and then will have to have the RP law approved by posting it HERE alongside appropriate posts, justification and facts to support the banning. RP laws that create a one-party state follow similar rules to the ones stated above; -- 5d. RP laws that grant extraordinary powers, ban specific parties or ideologies, create one-party states, grant or allow powers that might not be granted by normal game mechanics or otherwise authorize dictatorial or executive authority must be posted HERE for review by Moderation and the Global Roleplay Committee. Please note that RP law approvals may take sometime and Moderation and the GRC will respond as promptly as possible; I have screenshotted the “senat treason act” which effectively proposed to execute several players, some of which from my country. I do NOT want Governor2 banned, and I will not report you to moderation even though I have been very active on the forums in the past and fully have grounds to report you. I want you to be in our country. However, none of us like how you are currently behaving. 1) this is not an in game problem. I have grounds to assume you are intentionally making this roleplay experience not fun for everyone. That isn’t against the rules, but it deeply is hurtful and mean. It’s not a fun way to play this game. Also, you have clearly violated game rules on multiple occasions, and therefore, it is an out of game issue objectively and subjectively. 2) you tried putting my party leader in a concentration and have threatened to execute and kill various party members. I’m not sure if I should understand these things as personal threats, and if that’s the case, really i should be contacting legal authorities in the real world. My gut reaction is that you have some difficulties understanding how others think or something like that, but I shouldn’t be giving you the benefit of the doubt. My guess is you don’t have some sort of mental disability, and you should thank me for giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don’t know what your deal is, but it’s clear that you’re just trying to screw around and ruin this experience for everyone else on the server. 3) this isn’t a competitive game. You have the right to say whatever you want. I’m proposing this bill so we can go on record claiming we aren’t going to tolerate this anymore. If you try to ruin this experience for us all, that’s fine, but please admit that’s what you are doing. I’m trying to have an enjoyable roleplay experience, and everyone else is too. We are assuming that you’ll be understanding and caring |
| Date | 23:44:10, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Hosian Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Hello, Just a note to confirm that I have not been banned, just left Solentia. The issue for me is the BdL/ Faschistische Union not abiding by game mechanics or RP laws, even ones they vote for or create. The BdL voted for the arrest of one of their own characters and then refused to go along with the RP, making the character PM and "First Soldier" (even though they wrote a Forum post acknowledging that the "First Soldier" role had been abolished). RP cannot function if one side constantly reneges or ignores what has been agreed. Initially, when I challenged the BdL for not following their own RP laws, I was dismissed and told to complain to an RP court the BdL had created. Which I did. By the way it is understandable that it was annoying that the HDA managed to get a majority of judges on your RP court as it was established in a way to keep your dominance, but that's the way things go. You then refused to follow the RP rules of your own court, so I/we had to just repeal your RP laws. If you were not going to follow them, why should other players? Basic rule is if you want players to play fair with you, you have to play fair with them. Most importantly, game mechanics are the basis of the game and claiming that legislation which passes the legislature 'will not be executed' or will be ignored is the death of the game and if every player acted that way there would be no game. |
| Date | 23:47:35, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: 1.) Yes, I am aiming for rule 5c, to create a one party state and I do not see how this is against the rules. I enjoy an excellent relationship with the MNP-player because we want the same thing: To create a dictatorship in Solentia. So "us" is definitly not entirely true. I don't know how i should have violated rule 5d.... 2.) Any party can propose anything it wants even if its crazy but again that is the logic of a facist party: To kill all enemies and send them into work camps. Look at Hitler or Mussolini they both did that so I consider this in order. 3.) I would ask you again to stop labelling and stop threatening. This is a game an not serious in any way. Again you seem to know me better than I do know myself: What exactly are those grounds you are talking about? 4.) You again have insulted me as "mental-disabled" and seem to take in game threats and game play too serious. And how you arrive from an in game law to a personal threat to you: I don't get it. I don#t know you in real life so i don't understand you point here. Your in game characters are being threatened of course: Look what Hitler did when he came to power he executed his enemies and thats why in game names were used. Please, never never assume this is in any way whatsoever directed at real life......I never take anything too serious here after all its just a game :) 5.) You are violating the followinng rules: 1.)1. All players, moderators and players alike, should be treated with respect at all times and likewise should reciprocate that respect; 2.) 3. Players are reminded that Particracy is loosely based on the real world, RP must be kept with that in mind. RP must be realistic, grounded in real life and not in fantasy or "futuristic" technologies and other items; 3.) 5. RP Laws that require a party to vote or act in a specific way (exemptions are bills that set procedures for speaking within the legislature such as "Mr./Mrs. Speaker", etc) are prohibited and will not be enforced by Moderation or the Global Roleplay Committee; |
| Date | 23:49:51, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: thank you HDA. We miss your presence in this country, as although we disagreed with them politically, (or at least our party did) their party’s leaving of Solentia is why we have gone to this measure. Also, we have noticed Governor2 conveniently has changed their party name at this time. We have reason to suspect this is an attempt to confuse moderators when they look at what has been going on. We are not going to report them to moderators at this time, but I think there’s reason to believe that they know they have been doing wrongdoing. |
| Date | 23:52:14, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: please do not lie. I explicitly said I didn’t think you were mentally disabled. |
| Date | 23:53:09, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: To the HDA points: 1.) Thank you for clarifiying. 2.) At the moment we do not have any rp laws at all because all rp laws must be clearly referenced and that is not the case. 3.) You were not allowed to call the court yourself but rather just apply for a case. realistically the army would have ended your government and party assoon as you tried to abolish its special position or/and cut the funding. 4.) If a government does not execute laws are amy ways how to deal with it: Vote them out, sack them. If i am not mistaken you never did that. You didnt even call a vote of no confidence. 5.) All these problems would not be there if youl would have been in government but I am sorry facists are facists their sole goal is to destroy the democracy. My suggestion: let's work a joint rp strategy out to prevent further problems. |
| Date | 23:55:47, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Why are you so aggressiv? Why are always threatening and try to create such a bad situation? Now you are taking the fun out of this game. And again it is only natural that after such a degrading defeat the radical elemnts win power within a party: Look at the Republicans in 2008....the tea Party arrived. |
| Date | 23:59:11, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: I encourage you to contact mods, then. It's clear no one likes what you are doing, and if mods contact me regarding this, I have additional screenshots of past comments from Governor2 to back up my case. If mods think that Governor2 isn’t in the wrong, please allow everyone at this country the opportunity to join our own country that take parliamentary political roleplay more seriously. we acknowledge that this measure is technically unenforceable, and that isn’t the point. We want a discussion and an understanding of whether or not Governor2 actually knows what’s going on, and now we know they do not want to make this country a fun environment. |
| Date | 00:00:46, March 24, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: your party was threatening to execute people and put my party leader in a concentration camp long before you lost control. |
| Date | 00:06:55, March 24, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: You don't speak for "us". I have an excellent relationship with the MNP player and we completly agree on our way forward and we did not hear from the HP-player nor the DCP player so again I see this as patronaizing. I don't have any reason to contact the mods. Why should I when I believe everything is going well? I also don' t threaten you or demand that you behave in a way which I wish. I also don't collect screenshots in particracy, because its just a game and I enjoy it very much. I object to you insulting and aggrssive style of argumentation and your inability to work out a solution here in a joint rp-committee. |
| Date | 00:12:18, March 24, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Of course my party threatens to do that because its members are power-hungry corrupt beaucrats which aim for a total military control of the country and your party opposes that and they fear for their money, their influence, their power. That is how currupt and moral degraded officials talk. Believe me I absolutly don't agree with my in game people i would never vote for them. |
| Date | 13:23:59, March 24, 2019 CET | From | Humanist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: To be honest I haven't been playing here for long enough to really understand everything. I know the HDA and the BDL had their differences and I thought it was escalating, but I have no idea what's been going on for longer than a few weeks. I've liked to assume that the actions of the 'BDL' was roleplaying, but I have to admit sometimes I found myself wondering if certain things were being done just to cause problems for others playing the game. But again, I don't have much experience here. I also admit that when the HDA vanished I did assume the BDL had something to do with it, which it seems they did, but not in the way I thought, so for that I apologise. My assumption was wrong. I'd just like to continue playing along as peacefully as possible, I'm still sort of learning the little nuances of the game. |
| Date | 12:19:03, March 25, 2019 CET | From | Democratic Centralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | FU, we have all proposed and have tried to compromise with yourselves. But you override decisions and do not communicate. You are not a “man of your word” which you stated to my party ministers. OOC: I haven’t been playing this game for too long either. I can see that the BDL/FU/Conservative party have made plenty of attempts to ban most parties that operate in Solentia. I believe the player Governor2 is making this game a very dull experience. I personally do not understand the ideology of the FU Party, one minute they want to compromise and provide government funding for healthcare, and infrastructure and transport, then they are fascists that want to run Solentia away from being a democracy. I competely understand that the BDL/FU want to create a dictatorship in their role-play which is fine, but the pettiness and attempts to ban people is main issue, when you do not have the common grounds to do so. I can see that the HDA left Solentia, they must of had enough. I think that DCP, SDP, MNP and HP should be moved to a different nation, as I find this role play boring. If the role play is not actually boring then I believe that your party would have more support. I personally believe that the FU want to be the only active party in Solentia? And there attempts to do so are fiailing. I haven’t played the game enough to know hoe to report to Moderation. I have been looking through forums and once I have familiarised myself, my attempt will be to speak and report you to Moderation. I will request with Moderation that the DCP, SDP, MNP and HP should move Nation, if this is allowed, then I will go. I don’t know about anyone else? But I have seriously had enough of Governor2. |
| Date | 12:19:03, March 25, 2019 CET | From | Democratic Centralist Party | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | FU, we have all proposed and have tried to compromise with yourselves. But you override decisions and do not communicate. You are not a “man of your word” which you stated to my party ministers. OOC: I haven’t been playing this game for too long either. I can see that the BDL/FU/Conservative party have made plenty of attempts to ban most parties that operate in Solentia. I believe the player Governor2 is making this game a very dull experience. I personally do not understand the ideology of the FU Party, one minute they want to compromise and provide government funding for healthcare, and infrastructure and transport, then they are fascists that want to run Solentia away from being a democracy. I competely understand that the BDL/FU want to create a dictatorship in their role-play which is fine, but the pettiness and attempts to ban people is main issue, when you do not have the common grounds to do so. I can see that the HDA left Solentia, they must of had enough. I think that DCP, SDP, MNP and HP should be moved to a different nation, as I find this role play boring. If the role play is not actually boring then I believe that your party would have more support. I personally believe that the FU want to be the only active party in Solentia? And there attempts to do so are fiailing. I haven’t played the game enough to know hoe to report to Moderation. I have been looking through forums and once I have familiarised myself, my attempt will be to speak and report you to Moderation. I will request with Moderation that the DCP, SDP, MNP and HP should move Nation, if this is allowed, then I will go. I don’t know about anyone else? But I have seriously had enough of Governor2. |
| Date | 13:47:19, March 25, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the OOC: Governor2 Roleplay Time Out |
| Message | OOC: Given the chaotic stage of Solentia at the Moment and your radical Actions to abolish the constitution and destroy the Military I find it perfectly Logical to Play a radicalization. Moreover the FU strated out s FNB (Faschistische Nationalbewegung) and only then became the VR and then the BDL so ist Kind of back to the roots. I enjoy excellent Relations with the MNP Player and have suggested that we sit together and plan our rp in future. Unfortunately only the MNP agrees with me and we worked out a rp between our parties. The other parties are allowed to join of Course and we invite you to coordinate our rp. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 30 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 48 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 22 |
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