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Bill: Istalia Conflict
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 4556
Description[?]:
| I just have received this from the government of Istalia: “To the Government of Solentia from the Head of State of Istalia: "Greetings Solentians, I'm Michele Appiano De Borromei, Head of State of Istalia, I am writing to express all the disappointment and exasperation generated by Solentia and the system of armored borders that constantly threaten Italia of isolation, by a possible Solentian unilateral decision. For too long now Solentia has kept Istalia in check thanks to the walls and the barriers and therefore to the gargantuan controls that Solentia applies on the Istalian border. For too long Solentia has had the power to totally cut off the Istalia from the rest of the continent thanks to the defensive systems built along all your borders. Despite millions of Solentians for decades, if not centuries, have had easy access to Istalia where they have found opportunities for work, study and self realization, Solentia has always conducted its policies towards Istalia with somewhat questionable methods. And if only apparently the dissolved but at the time hegemonic Fascist Party has always shown servile behavior towards Istalia, to achieve favorable commercial objectives and to have access to Istalian war technology, our secret services indeed are well aware of the fact that in reality Solentia for years has been working in the shadows spying on us and trying to destabilize the country from within. The Fifth Republic, prosperous but fundamentally weak, has now reached its end and a new era begins for Istalia, an era that will no longer see the Istalians passively accepting abuse, blackmail and deception. For this reason, being clear the danger that Solentia and its gargantuan border defense system represent for Istalia, constantly threatened to be isolated and cut off from the rest of the continent, as Head of the State of Istalia, I invite this and subsequent Solentian Governments to take immediate measures so that every system of walls, barriers, ditches, minefields, armed turrets and control by the Solentian armed forces along the Istalian borders are dismantled. A negative response from the Solentian Government will represent a decisive declaration of hostility from you with all that will follow. It is not excluded in this case that the armed forces of Istalia may decide to act to destroy the defensive infrastructures along our border. If, on the other hand, the Solentian government wants to cooperate, we will be willing to mitigate the precautionary measures that the National Congress of Istalia is about to take against Solentian citizens present in Istalia, who could see their visas canceled and therefore see themselves sent back to Solentia in the shortest possible time. There will be no further communications: the Solentian Government will have one year to take its decision.” We will use this forum to discuss a plan of action, and then we will propose a new bill. This will act as a way to recognize we have received and understood their message. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:15:08, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Humanist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | Our party believe strongly in the cooperation of nations, we believe that both economic unity and diplomatic rather than violent interactions are for the best, we would happily vote for any bill which saw the relaxing of excessive border security and provided a sensible, safe plan for our nations to peacefully coexist without the threat of violence. We would happily engage in talks if this is what the senate agreed with. W. Bowman. Leader of The Humanist Party. |
| Date | 20:19:42, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Military-Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | The new Party of the Istalia, obviously wants to isolate its land by rejecting most of the international agreements that it has introduced to our country. Threats by the new political party are scandalous. We never wanted a war or a conflict, and they give us a year's time to solve all that we are looking for obviously wanting to scare us. Solentia is a strong and well-organized state that will not retreat from any problem. We can accept the please but conditions never. My idea is that our military forces withdraw from the territory of Istalia but that they are strengthening along our borders with that country in order to protect our people from the possible diversions of the Italian Government. MNP |
| Date | 20:22:52, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Military-Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | And just to say, Istalia and Solentia have cooperation bill: http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=3975 This is formal. |
| Date | 20:33:57, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | OOC: just to underline this: Solentia built the fortified walls into Solentia territory, no solwntia forces are in Istalia. But the risk for Istalia to see itself cut brutaly from the continent is the main motivation of the request as well as the limits imposed to the trade and movement of people. |
| Date | 20:38:02, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Military-Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | I think we can solve this soon, without any confilct. You can propose your threat and I hope everyone will be satisfed. Or we can change our cooperation bill. |
| Date | 20:59:56, April 04, 2019 CET | From | Progressive Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | Our party believes that a conflict must absolutely be avoided. BUT such provocations are not okay. Expressing such threats without first finding a solution in a diplomatic way shows that Istalia wants to achieve its goal in a very aggressive way. We are open to dialogue and certainly want to look for solutions together with Istalia. But Istalia needs to know that with threatening language and deadlines, solutions are rarely found |
| Date | 08:46:40, April 05, 2019 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | The Republican Party does not wish conflict. We want to proceed with honest diolauage and use diplomacy to solve this tension. We want our trade with Istalia and our free trade agreement to continue. However, as others have said Istalia must also agree to diolauge through diplomatic channels. If Istalia shall invade Solentia then our military should be ready to defend Solentia. |
| Date | 13:39:51, April 05, 2019 CET | From | Democratic Centralist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | We absolutely agree with the Republican party based on this matter. We still want free trade agreements with istalia to continue indefinitely. We however agree that if Istalia is to invade Solentia, we shall use reasonable force to protect and defend Solentia. |
| Date | 13:42:04, April 05, 2019 CET | From | Democratic Centralist Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | If no solutions are found in a diplomatic way then we should use reasonable force. Diplomacy is an effective way forward if istalia agree to a formal meeting to resolve this issue. DCP |
| Date | 23:33:51, April 05, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | We look forward to the foreign affairs minister to put out a resolution regarding action here. |
| Date | 08:59:48, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Not sure what to make of this but Istalia has recently withdrawn from a variety of treaty including trade agreements and alliances. http://classic.particracy.net/viewnews.php?nation=39 |
| Date | 17:32:40, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Once we have a new cabinet we should send our new foreign affairs minister to talk to Istalia. |
| Date | 17:33:44, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Istalia Conflict |
| Message | IC: It’s imperative we honor the results of the action and form a new cabinet to honor the will of the people. We must do this quickly so we can send our foreign affairs ministers to open talks with Istalia. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 334 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 31 |
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