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Bill: Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anarchosyndicalist Libertarian Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2207
Description[?]:
| It's a shame that we are only country with thist treaty ratificated. We should cancel this treaty. |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the National Sovereignty Treaty.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:38:46, March 27, 2006 CET | From |  Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | uh? |
| Date | 10:49:33, March 27, 2006 CET | From | Anarchosyndicalist Libertarian Front | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | please, check this Treaty in our country diplomacy (sorry for spelling mistakes, I'm not a fluent speaker) |
| Date | 08:52:09, March 28, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | It is an interesting piece of trivia that we are the only nation that has ratified this treaty. I'm not sure why it is relevant, though. Do you have a specific criticism to level at the content of the treaty? In any event, we support the principle of national (as opposed to supranational) sovereignty and we would never support any treaty which enabled non-Trigunians to make law binding on Trigunia. We do not accept the notion of a 'one size fits all' new world order (such as the European Union, USSR or modern United States). Consider the EU, and specifically the ideologically opposed nations of UK and France. UK is pro-free markets, broadly pro-capitalism, while France is ultra-protectionist and socialist. If the UK is happy being the way the UK is, and France is happy being the way France is, surely no-one gains if the EU imposes some mish-mash compromise on both countries which satisfies neither? National sovereignty means the British can carry on doing what makes them happy and the French can carry on doing what makes them happy and everyone is happy. Moreover, there are constitutional issues with transferring sovereignty outside the reach of Parliament. Even though an unwritten rule, it is generally accepted that Parliament should not be able to bind its successors (i.e., Parliament should not be able to make a rule that a subsequent Parliament is unable to revoke), otherwise the rule of law is screwed. This Treaty serves to protect this important (I would argue essential) component of constitutional protection. |
| Date | 09:05:13, March 28, 2006 CET | From | Anarchosyndicalist Libertarian Front | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | Well I don't think that this treaty means that kind of sovereignty. Consider this: "That the ratifiers regard all laws and resulutions passed by an international agency as null and void." In our opinion it's one step too far. It's isolationism. That one: "Realizing that the nation is soverign" is trivial. and eg. that "That the ratifiers regard any international agency as a place for nations to discuss and debate but not to demand" is at first sight obvious but when you think about World Justice Tribunal it isn't good anymore. In globalization era there must be some international control over DEMOCRATIC institution and it doesn't mean that nation would lost sovereignty. This Treatz is one step too far frm our point of view. |
| Date | 03:36:21, March 29, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | What sort of sovereignty do you think it means? "...all laws and resolutions passed by an international as null and void" may not be the most elegant phrasing ever, but it seems to be pretty in tune with the concept of national sovereignty. It is simply stating that no supranational body can create law which is binding on our nation. What the hell is world justice? There is no world justice, there are hundreds of different cultures with hundreds of different definitions of justice. You can't just create some monolithic institution to dispense some arbitrary definition of justice (presumably you have in mind whatever your own personal sense of justice is as the one true justice) over the whole world. I'm not sure what proof you are offering for your assertion that there "must" be some international control over democratic institutions. Historically, supreme overlords have done a pretty shabby job of implementing international control over nations. That's why countries have revolutions to overthrow their colonial masters. And actually, international control over a nation MUST mean that the nation would lose sovereignty, by definition. If you transfer power away from the nation to some sort of supranational body, the nation has less power over itself than it did before. I cannot see how you can make that claim. |
| Date | 19:02:51, March 29, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | I have 5 words for you |
| Date | 00:50:13, March 30, 2006 CET | From | Fascist Party | To | Debating the Withdraw from National Sovereignty Treaty |
| Message | We need the united nations to regulate strawberry sizes and bann cuccumbers with too large bends. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 73 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 317 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 165 |
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