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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of October 4589
Details
Submitted by[?]: Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4590
Description[?]:
| To rip power from the hands of the PDE. Cabinet will likely be temporary. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Article 2
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Article 3
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Article 4
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Alternative für Dundorf
Article 5
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Sozialistische Koalition
Article 6
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Sozialistische Koalition
Article 7
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Alternative für Dundorf
Article 8
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Sozialistische Koalition
Article 9
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Article 10
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Article 11
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Alternative für Dundorf
Article 12
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Sozialistische Koalition
Article 13
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Demokratische Sozialistische Partei
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:19:39, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Alternative für Dundorf | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | A temporary cabinet yes. |
| Date | 11:53:28, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Sozialistische Koalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | We won't allow the ministry of finance to go in the hands of the AfD |
| Date | 15:02:49, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Alternative für Dundorf | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | Clearly as the largest party I would have rejected this bill as it’s not fair that I don’t have either internal foreign or a Chancellor. Given that the party who hardly can’t get seats at all and somehow proclaims his Conservatism, he shouldn’t be talking about me having finance ministry, me voting yes on this bill is making the AfD too nice to reject democratic socialist fully. (Although at past the parties of democratic Socialism did try and illegalize my party, so I wouldn’t presume your much of a democrat at all). I also produced a New Democratic constitution bill that was the most democratic piece of bill that I have EVER seen from any party bench. I would ask that the VD change their minds as the temporary government could have clearly been a AfD-DSP Coalition. Although, I’m surprised the DSP have put me in a temporary coalition, I think we need to have a clear mind on our hands, for example the VD could be in opposition and they don’t have any power whatsoever to reject constitutional bills by themselves. I as the leader of the AfD would propose a strong Dundorf and could reject any constitutional bills. All it needs is a AfD-DSP vote for ANY constitutional bill, so why does the VD think they are so important. The snap election meant that my party has now got 42% of the seats, plus on the second round of voting my party got 47%, and it’s those 47% that we’re willing to give a right-wing Alternative. The AfD however accepts the new and first BundesPräsident as the DSP got 53%. This is the AfD view on things at the moment. |
| Date | 16:27:07, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Demokratische Sozialistische Partei | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | Make no mistake: It took an insane amount of self control to even consider allowing the AfD to take part in the cabinet we propose now. It took even more to give the AfD more than one seat. The DSP would much rather work with a more rational and centrist point of view - the VPD. Instead, here we are, being a levelheaded governmental party, who now holds the title of Head of State, and you still have the gall to call the DSP dangerous. Had we not allocated enough seats to the AfD, they would vote no. Had we allocated too many seats to the AfD, the VPD would have voted no. Had we given AfD the title of Chancellor, the DSP would have never proposed this cabinet in the first place. Really, I can't see accepting any cabinet the AfD could propose. This is the MOST POSSIBLE COOPERATION you shall get from the DSP, until the AfD can, quite frankly, see the futility of their nationalist approach. |
| Date | 16:29:29, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Alternative für Dundorf | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | Bye. |
| Date | 17:13:28, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Sozialistische Koalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | The VPD is open to working with both parties. It seems like the AfD doesn't really understand what's going on in our country. The AfD and DSP are almost equal in size and about twice as large as us. But, since none of us achieve a majority for any bill to pass TWO parties are needed. Even though it seems like the AfD and the DSP is much larger than us we have virtually the same power in parliament as them. Therefore we will support any party that gives us influence over either, foreign affairs or finance. If not we will vote no. Our demands are clear. We respect both parties and the election result. |
| Date | 20:23:56, June 12, 2019 CET | From | Demokratische Sozialistische Partei | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | Then I suppose we simply won't work with you. Both the AfD and VPD support intrusive, discriminatory and frankly inhumane practices in the foreign affairs office, and both of you support Capitalism, as well as ultra nationalism. I wouldn't trust the AfD with Chancellor if the very lives of the members in the DSP depended on it. VPD? Maybe. Here are MY conditions and demands: The DSP will control Finance, both forms of affairs, science and education, and that is final. We will not surrender any of those offices, not since we just brought Dundorf out of debt. The offices of Trade and Chancellor can be negotiated, to a point. Understand that in taking Chancellor, various offices would need to be surrendered, and the AfD would need to forfeit most every other office listed in their name. Quite frankly, as long as the DSP is Socialist, we will oppose quite a large portion of your demands. At this point, surely you can realize that cooperation between all three parties is a virtual impossibility. And, if I'm being totally honest here, I believe that this cabinet proposal is more than fair, all things considered. All of this work, all of your empty proposals mean nothing, however, if you do not vote. Those are the DSP's demands, since we've all lost a sense of common civility. |
| Date | 11:46:50, June 13, 2019 CET | From | Sozialistische Koalition | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | We are not ultra-nationalist or capitalist, this is a very weird claim. All we want is to be fairly represented in any coalition we take part in. |
| Date | 19:57:48, June 13, 2019 CET | From | Demokratische Sozialistische Partei | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | Yet, you have frequently opposed Socialist policies and anti-nationalist actions. What does that make you? |
| Date | 07:44:02, June 14, 2019 CET | From | Alternative für Dundorf | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 4589 |
| Message | A liberal could have voted on opposing Socialist policies and anti-Nationalist actions. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 750 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "I worked at a factory owned by Germans, at coal pits owned by Frenchmen, and at a chemical plant owned by Belgians. There I discovered something about capitalists. They are all alike, whatever the nationality. All they wanted from me was the most work for the least money that kept me alive. So I became a communist." - Nikita Khrushchev |