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Bill: More Efficent Farming Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2066
Description[?]:
| In the current system, the government subsidises a certain crop over the ENTIRE country. This is not the best idea due to the fact that different regions have different crops that have different needs. If we give the Communes the ability to choose for themselves, the system will be more efficent and more money will be made for everyone. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: The government subsidises agriculture based on market demand for the crop being grown.
Current: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Proposed: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:42:44, June 12, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | So Utagian farmers shouldn't be paid a bit extra to grow what the Agathonians need? Looking at this from a national view is the only way to do this properly, because it is everybody's concern what they put on their dinner table. |
| Date | 04:58:40, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | But under your plan, the Agathion farmers who mostly depend on Corn, their main crop, will get nothing while the Agathion Rice farmers, who are a REALLY small part of the commune market, will get all the funds because the people in Utagia eat more rice? Either way, someone looses. Wouldn't it be better that the people who depend on the crops for a living are the ones who get the better deal? |
| Date | 17:55:46, June 12, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | The subsidies given depend entirely on the demand for the crop. higher demand crops will be given bigger subsidies (in order to counter-balance the money lost by growing low-profit, but high demand crops) It is ridiculous to think that the demand is only local, and should be handled locally. it's a national demand, and should be handled on a national level. |
| Date | 19:47:19, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | If it's handled Locally, the poor people in Agathion growing the crop will benefit, not the rich people in Utagia who eat the crop. |
| Date | 22:59:37, June 12, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | what are you talking about? the subsidies go to the farmers, not the consumers. some crops do not make as much money per acre as other crops. the farmers grow what makes them the most money, so if one crop sells really well, they will all grow it that year. but if everybody grows it, the market is glutted with the crop, and the price gows way down, meaning that the farmers don't make any money off of it. subsidies prevent this by compensating for crops that are not as profitable, so that the market has a balance of all different crops, ensuring that competition does not drive the farmers out of business. which crops sell well depends on the markets, which are not always in the same region. having a wider look at the market, with a national government, rather than a narrower view with a local government, ensures that everyone is better off. the farmers, because they are now growing crops that they can sell, and the buyers because they are not swamped with one crop and at a loss for other ones. |
| Date | 23:07:11, June 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | No, it ensures that the MAJORITY is better off. That means that while every region besides Agathion will profit, Agathion wont. |
| Date | 01:17:13, June 13, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | is it in the agathonian farmer's best interests to all grow the same thing and compete eachother out of business? or should the targeted markets have the ability to give them a heads up on what will sell well and what won't? on one hand, you have the farmers ignoring the markets and all growing whatever crop has the biggest yeild. the competition drives the prices so low that they lose any profit. on the other hand, you have the consumers paying them a bit extra in order to grow a diversity of crops that are in high demand, ensuring a stable marketplace where all the products will sell. which will it be? |
| Date | 17:27:14, June 13, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | Ok...this would've passed a long time ago Techno... remember, y'know, when I proposed it, and you wouldn't support it, so I didn't even put it up for vote? |
| Date | 04:41:14, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | NFP: No, but it is in the Agathonian farmers best interest to recieve subsidies if his crop needs them. His crop may need them, but farmers growing the same crop in other communes may not. It's better if the local people choose what best suits their needs. If we don't let them choose for themselves, why do we even have communes altogether? |
| Date | 05:49:33, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the More Efficent Farming Bill |
| Message | Sounds exactly like what I said. Too bad you didn't vote for this when you were the HoS, aye? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 319 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 380 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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