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Bill: Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluzian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 4672
Description[?]:
| Arrest warrant for investigation of corruption: Ms Millaray Beitris McDonald A.P.S Dr Jane Davidson PhD, A.S, M.Phil, A.P.S, B.A Dr Janus Hartmann VI PhD, B.Ec, A.P.S Dr Rebecca Grazia Durnin PhD, B.Ec, A.P.S Dr Ariadne Erika Ó Cuinn PhD, M.Phil Dr Tim Ábel Henning III PhD, M.Phil., LL.M., Dr Renata Giacinta O'Callaghan PhD, A.P.S, B.A., B.S Professor Caolán Carey Mac Gilleain PhD, B.A., B.S, B.Ec., MIA, M.Phil., LL.M. Professor Uilleag Cezar Bonaccorsi PhD, M.Ed., B.A., B.S , M.Phil, B.Ec., B.Soc.Sci, MIA Dr Desideria Pomona Grillo PhD, M.Ed., B.A., B.S Dr Grania Elda Piccoli PhD, A.P.S, B.A., B.S, MIA Professor Iokaste Aurora Madigan PhD, M.Ed., B.A., B.S, B.Soc.Sci, MIA Ms Blair Vilma Sousa and Geraldine Perth will also be detained for investigation of illegal campaign funding, John Fredrickson IV. is not under investigation as of now, Dr Wewecho Pantafloja commented, "He looks like an honest man" "I have called the head of police to put the former ministers under detention for suspection of corruption as soon as we have an independent justice minister, their detention for stealing Beluzian funds from the people of Beluzia will be done, such as I promised in my campagin!" Dr Wewecho Pantafloja |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Beluzian Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:40:44, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: You can’t go around accusing my party for being corrupt without my consent, without evidence, or just because you don’t like my party. If we are returning to these annoying accusations and erratic irrational policies that your party promoted in the past, then this game is not fun at all |
| Date | 22:52:36, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: he is acussing without proof, but he has majority in the assembly, and is appointing politically motivated jurors and judges in the other bill. |
| Date | 22:53:44, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: Wewecho Pantafloja can and will lie just to get rid of his opponents. |
| Date | 23:11:05, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: The game doesn't work like that. You don't get to roleplay investigations and stuff without approval from other players. Have you not learnt anything since your last experience here? Have you not read the rules at all? |
| Date | 23:14:20, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: I have, and I am following them, you should roleplay them being exiled and replaced by new people who have not been in power before |
| Date | 23:17:30, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: I don't think you have: -- 2a. Players are required to pass a bill authorizing the RP which must be passed by a majority of players with seats within the nation (for major, large-scale roleplays such as civil wars, wars, significant economic or RP-related political reforms, etc.) Players are required to create an OOC RP planning bill or forum post discussing the general outline and discussion for planned RP; it needs to include a link to the passed RP authorization bill (for all players); If you have, please cite which section of the rules you are following. And don't tell me what to do about my party. These people are new people that have not been in power before. You weren't here for the last two hundred in game years, so probably you don't know |
| Date | 23:21:49, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC:They are the current cabinet. and this are not RP based bills, they are game mechanic based bills: Proposed: The police can search a person or their property without restrictions. Proposed: Jurors are politically appointed. but fine, I will freeze the roleplay so we can discuss it in the bill under discussion |
| Date | 23:23:30, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: Yea, but you have literally said that you are going to issue an arrest warrant and stuff like that without our approval, so aren't you trying to roleplay without consent? |
| Date | 23:34:27, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Beluzian Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC:So now if I dont govern as you say I am roleplaying against your consent? Roleplaying against your consent would be naming the new members of your party or making them actually commit corrupt acts, having mine lying with unsubstained claims of corruption at them and using them as the basis for his campaign and government is not roleplay without your approval. |
| Date | 23:37:13, November 28, 2019 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: You can't go about doing political investigations that are not covered by in-game laws without any of the other players approvals. You also can't go about declaring war on other countries without talking with their players first. Furthermore, I'm not telling you how to govern, you can't just make accusations that my party is corrupt without asking for my approval or asking other parties whether they are fine to go through with this |
| Date | 14:52:43, December 02, 2019 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Transition, Cabinet Proposal of February 4672 |
| Message | OOC: Greetings, There seems to be some confusion about the RP game rules. First and foremost, the whole section of the RP-related Game Rules is here: "Section 6 - Role-Play Rules and the Global Role-Play Accord 1. Role-play is a significant part of Particracy, it comes in many forms and ways but at its core, Particracy is a political simulator with certain mechanics. Generally, "game mechanics" come first though there are exceptions; 2. Large scale RP planning (such as wars, regional/continental conflicts, economic collapse, etc.) should be planned (as best as it can be) and should have consent of a majority of players involved. It is possible to RP smaller events without the consent of all players or others; -- 2a. Players are required to pass a bill authorizing the RP which must be passed by a majority of players with seats within the nation (for major, large-scale roleplays such as civil wars, wars, significant economic or RP-related political reforms, etc.) Players are required to create an OOC RP planning bill or forum post discussing the general outline and discussion for planned RP; it needs to include a link to the passed RP authorization bill (for all players); -- 2b. Players who engage with RP via newspaper posts, in-game messages or other forms of in-character communications are generally accepted to be consenting to the RP. In the event that consent or authorization comes into question, players who have engaged will be counted as voting for or authorizing the RP. 3. Players are reminded that Particracy is loosely based on the real world, RP must be kept with that in mind. RP must be realistic, grounded in real life and not in fantasy or "futuristic" technologies and other items; 4. Players are reminded that going back on established RP ("retcon", "retconning") is generally unaccepted and the Global Roleplay Committee and Moderation will be involved in the event of significant retcons/retconning, especially when there are OOC issues surrounding RP. The GRC and Moderation reserve the right to approve or deny retcons/retconning as they see reasonable and realistic; 5. Role-play Laws "RP Laws" are permitted to be created as secondary laws to in-game law variables. RP Laws that require a party to vote or act in a specific way (exemptions are bills that set procedures for speaking within the legislature such as "Mr./Mrs. Speaker", etc) are prohibited and will not be enforced by Moderation or the Global Roleplay Committee; -- 5a. RP laws follow the same passing rules as in-game variable laws. Laws that are not of a constitutional nature require a simple majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. Laws that are of a constitutional nature require a 2/3 majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats; -- 5b. RP laws passed must be listed within the "Bills Under Debate" section under a bill entitled: "RP Laws of COUNTRYNAME" and must include a brief synopsis of the RP law and a link to its original passage; -- 5c. RP laws are generally prohibited from banning specific political parties and ideological groups; however with appropriate background RP and justification, a country may ban specific political parties and ideological groups. Nations that do this must follow the procedure for normally passing a constitutional law and then will have to have the RP law approved by posting it HERE alongside appropriate posts, justification and facts to support the banning. RP laws that create a one-party state follow similar rules to the ones stated above; -- 5d. RP laws that grant extraordinary powers, ban specific parties or ideologies, create one-party states, grant or allow powers that might not be granted by normal game mechanics or otherwise authorize dictatorial or executive authority must be posted HERE for review by Moderation and the Global Roleplay Committee. Please note that RP law approvals may take sometime and Moderation and the GRC will respond as promptly as possible; -- 5e. RP laws may be abolished a simple majority vote this applies to ANY RP law. Moderation and the GRC reserve the right to declare RP laws invalid with reasonable and justifiable cause. 6. Characters are always owned by the player who originally used/created them. Users can transfer control of character via character transfers located HERE. Characters, noble houses/dynasties or bloodlines who have been inactive for 250 in-game years can be applied for using the aforementioned character transfer thread. Please note that any request for an "inactive" users characters, noble houses/dynasties or bloodlines must be accompanied by a brief synopsis on the requesters plans for the character. -- 6a. As an alternative, players are authorized to create cadet branches of the primary noble houses/dynasties or bloodlines. For example, the the House of Smith has not been used but we want a Smith monarch, so I create the House of Smith-Johnson, which is related to the main "House of Smith" but is a cadet branch and thus able to be used and possessed by me in place of a character transfer or waiting another 250 years to use the character. 7. Nations that are inactive (empty of players with seats) cannot be interacted with, via RP, in any significant or major way. Players can petition the GRC for interaction with an inactive nation in certain circumstances and the GRC will decide on the merits of the RP;" I would say that the issuing of arrest warrants for members of another party is "small" thus does not require 2/3 majority approval of the national legislature but it does have some significant implications. I would say that consent would need to be between the two players (parties) for such an event, not necessarily for the nation as a whole. I think that a government issuing arrest warrants for an outgoing government, especially in Beluzia which has had a rather flourishing multi-party democracy is a little odd, it isn't without reason or concept. However, since it is clear that the UBWP does not wish to be involved with the RP, the RP is considered null. I reminder players that RP in Particracy and as a whole is built on mutual cooperation and a drive for a deeper story. I hope this clears things up and you guys can get on with some RP. Good luck. Thank you, Moderation (Auditorii) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 251 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 77 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 172 |
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