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Bill: Age Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan Republican Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2037
Description[?]:
| Is there an age we can agree on? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The age until which students, if education were to be compulsary, are required to be educated (limited between 16 and 21).
Old value:: 16
Current: 18
Proposed: 18
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The age at which a person is considered an adult (limited between 12 and 24).
Old value:: 19
Current: 18
Proposed: 18
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawan Republican Alliance | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | I think we should make both ages the same. 18, anyone? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | I vote in favor of freedom concerning education. Compulsory education doesn equal freedom - can't support it. I like 19 concerning adulthood if the government has to define it in the first place. Give me a good reason why we should change it and I'll agree. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawan Republican Alliance | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Well, for one, if the government doesn't define it, what's the voting age? At what age is one legally independent of their parents? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | You just defined the voting age if the government doesn't define it. And that is when a person is old enough TO vote :-). In other words I'm either for "No definition" or a definition thats pretty high as I said 19. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawan Republican Alliance | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Well, okay, let's say that we get rid of an age of majority. Who gets to vote? And, how will our courts handle the massive increase in petitions for independence (the equivalent of an age of majority, except for voting)? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | No definition, makes all citizens equal, young, old, black, white, tan, yellow, man or woman, everyone is able to vote. THE MAJORITY GOVERNMENT COULD NEVER SAY "YOU" CAN'T VOTE! In order to understand my logic concerning this issue, you must understand the kind of government I believe in. Roughly I support: Limited Majority (Government) rule over the nation in regards to individual liberty, both socially and economically. To achieve a truly free society and market the government would have to abolish (outlaw) the majority of wage-based slavery, which takes advantage of the poor, dumb and un-educated. Thus in this type of society there would be little need for legislating much of anything, except “order” and of course environmental concerns that effect everyone. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Damn I sound a socialist lol. I am not though. As I stated in my party discription: "SBP-387 supports wage-less capitalism and Social Business investment return program options to all citizens. Pro Opportunity - Anti Subsidization. SBP-387 is against regulation of freedom by majority rule. We believe the people of our nation should be responsible for the most part for them selves and be free to care, pray and work according to their own personal beliefs and values. Only through de-regulation of freedom/civil rights, that do not directly harm other citizens (example: murder) can liberty of all peoples, be sustained and realized." |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | 'You sound like a socialist?' I think not. Socialists support education for everyone. Knowledge is power. If you abolish compulsory education, children could be forced to work,... It would be like turning the clock back for a 100 years. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Generally, only communist, socialist and labor unions ever speak of abolishing wage, thats what I meant by that. Socialized government education, that forces indoctrination curriculum onto the minority should never be acceptable - there for I defend freedom of choice and don't support socialistic compulsory government education. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawan Republican Alliance | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Quite honestly, I think that your proposal is so unworkable to be not even worth debating. However, chew on this: According to your proposal, three year olds would be able to vote. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Conservative Christian Royalists | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | i agree with the adult age limit but not education. im afraid we will vote no. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | As if I haven't already "chewed" on that. I'll take your 3-year-old example and put it in perspective. A family requires more protection from the government, much like the rich do (the rich pay more tax, than the poor), thus in this scenario families would merely retain more voting power, do that they require more protection from the government. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kirlawan Republican Alliance | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Have you ever thought about why rich pay more? It couldn't be because they have more, could it? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | Yes, that exactly why and they should no doubt. The rich require more protection from the government, thus they pay more in tax. What are saying? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Age Act |
| Message | "that" should be "that's" and this phase should be "What are you saying?" |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 277 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 314 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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