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Bill: Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Popolare Osiano
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4759
Description[?]:
| Colleagues after the blatant case of rider article by OFF in presenting its recent Devolution Reform Act, we propose to adopt a law to contrast the adding of article unrelated with the title or the general subject of the law. We propose to call this princpile the principle of unity of the subject matter. - The principle of the unity of the subject matter requires that no law shall embrace more than one subject, and the subject shall be expressed very clearly in its title. If an item of legislation addresses several subject matters, the unity of the subject matter is only preserved if the several parts have a material intrinsic connection with each other, are materially related to each other and are aimed at the same goal; this material connection may not be merely artificial, subjective or political in nature. Colleagues the key part of this legislation is that the several parts of a law must have a material intrinsic connection with each other, are materially related to each other and are aimed at the same goal. It is evident that also if most of the laws and the articles we can add are divided by subject like economy, ecology, social liberties, justice and so on, for the laws regarding devolution or centralization we don't have such a separation and thus we must provide: - Laws aimed to devolve or centralize matters shall not embrace more than one subject or in case this kind of laws embrace several subjects, each article must be discussed by all the parliamentary groups and the bill shall not be voted before at least one year of debate. OOC:it's a no enforceable Rp law and this RP law needs simple majority |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:00:00, May 07, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Mariana Vranetta (MP, Partyleader): We reject this resolution as an attack on the democratic right to believe, to speak, write and propose whatever an individual MP or a party wants whether others like it or not! That is a major Istalian value. I personally cannot imagine that beside the S&D, any other party will give this its support and agree to restricting political freedom. Apart from that, the OFF believe that this law need a 2/3 majority to pass and there is a majority vote needed in the Senate as well to have it implemented. Thank you. |
| Date | 13:12:00, May 07, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OOC: to S&D: Due to the fact that this is an RP law, can you add in the title “(RP)” before “Law”? And I would like send you a message with a text without errors and with a better form. I will not change the substance, it will be just a better “layout”. Actually, if the bill is approved, this should be add among the RP laws of the nation thus maybe it is better to write it better. To OFF: I have to check if such a law need a 2/3 vote. I’m not inquiring your IC statement, but I would like verify if such a RP law could be first of all binding in-game and if it requires or not a 2/3 vote. If it is the case, actually it’s useless demand and debate on the 2/3 vote, we are obliged to vote it eith 2/3. |
| Date | 14:38:50, May 07, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We would like say to the MPs from OFF that they can demand to the Supreme Court (OOC: aka the Constitutional Court) a prior verification of this proposed law (OOC: so I mean to wait for a response from the Moderations). Said that, ANI doesn’t oppose such proposal because actually our party always adhered to this principle which is one of the most ancient costumary principle adopted by the istalian parties, like S&D too can confirm being currently the second longest lasting active party into this parliament. Allowed exceptions could be considered pre-elettoral general programs presented before elections, programs touching most of the existing general policies, a practice which however we can perfectly accept if proposed by new party running for the first elections than by already existing parties, a move by the latter which could clearly impair also the allies, but not only general programs could have such conseguences, but also regular bills with different subjected not related between them. And as expressed by the fellow Hon. Zocchi commenting the devolution law by OFF, our abstantion to that bill will have conseguences on our visibility. We have also dubt about the allegations of the infringiment of democratic principles or freedom of expression: nobody would be blocked to propose bills, simply instead than a single bill with different subjects the parties will have just to propose different bills related to different subjects. Said that and focusing on this proposed (RP) Law, we propose six months instead than one year (OOC: It seems to me that the introduction of a mandatory debate period before the vote is an RP law already accepted in the past) and to add the expection of general pre-electoral programs (OOC: aimed to improve visibility of the party) which shall be clearly specified to be such kind of bills. Thank you - Laura Montefalchi, ANI’s Whip |
| Date | 07:01:46, May 08, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Mariana Vranetta (MP, Partyleader): Well, mrs Montefalchi, we disagree totally with your party by principle. The OFF feel that we must fight this bill as this is an attack on political freedom and as such, this has become a major issue for my party. |
| Date | 18:29:12, May 08, 2020 CET | From | Partito Popolare Osiano | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Attack to political freedom? This nonsense. Whatchsnge if instead to make 1 bill with all the articles you make 2 bills with the same.articles but divided? No one is asking to prevent partiesnto propose law on this or this matter. It is a resolution to avoid the practice of rider articles which is a practice considered unfair in many political systems. Giorgio Nunziatella |
| Date | 23:46:29, May 08, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OOC: I paste here the link with the response by the mods about this RP law: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7891&p=156246#p156246 The RP Law could be proposed but it should be intended by the players as a gentle agreement. It depend by us and our willingness to respect RP laws. Thus for the RolePlay I think that the Constitutional Court in IC could approve such a bill, but OOCly it is not enforceable to players. |
| Date | 07:34:09, May 09, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OCC For me it's all IC. It doesn't bother me personally at all. So, OFF will accept this RP when it becomes law but will fight it in the senate and courts. I've made it a political issue for the OFF (see my forum article) . That's all. |
| Date | 07:49:13, May 09, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Mariana Vranetta (MP, Partyleader): The arguments of the S&D makes it all worse. To my party it IS about political freedom as very political party should have the opportunity to propose whatever they want in one bill. That's a matter of principle. Furthermore, I would like to state that the mentioned OFF bill was all about devolution. That was the central point of our bill. However, when this bill becomes law ,the OFF will accept this for the time being as we are a democratic party but we will fight this in the senate and courts if there is no 2/3 majority. Anyway, to the OFF this proposal is a very, and I underline this, very important issue. Thank you. |
| Date | 13:31:01, May 09, 2020 CET | From | Blocco della Sinistra | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OOC: In fact, I believe that it's fair to say that this would bring more clarity and especially protect the visilibity of each party, as we would not be forced to vote for laws that do not really relate with each other and instead have to be proposed as separate laws IC: Members of the Assembly, The Left Bloc does not see why someone would oppose this proposal. There is no attack on political freedom. We support the idea that the propositions of law in each proposal must be related, and if they are not, they are proposed as separate laws. It's that simple and necessary Leandro Bisso Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 18:59:14, May 10, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OOC: the mods said that this should be considered as a general resolution and it needs a simple majority. A 2/3 majority is requested for RP binding for the players, but as stated by the previous response by the mods this RP Law is not suitable as binding law. |
| Date | 13:49:56, May 19, 2020 CET | From | Partito Popolare Osiano | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | OOC:thank you for info. I add it. |
| Date | 13:52:38, May 19, 2020 CET | From | Blocco della Sinistra | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Members of the assembly, Out of compromise with political clarification and cleanliness, we will vote in favor |
| Date | 07:34:42, May 20, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Pdl 02/4752 - Law on the principle of the unity of the subject matter |
| Message | Marco Brunetti (MO, Partyleader) and Mariana Vranetta (MP, Partychairwoman) : Statement of the OFF Partyleadership concerning this bill). As a 2/3 majority will be/is reached the OFF will respect the democratic process of this House and accept this ruling reluctantly and under protest. But.....out of common sense, offending my party deliberately and limiting democratic Istalian values, the OFF wants to make quite clear that without repealing this "democratic insult", my party will not take part in any coalition nor support a minority Government. Unfortumately, that is our only democratic weapon left. Thank you. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 568 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 113 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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