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Bill: Defense of a Nation: Going to War

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Kellarly Party

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: May 2068

Description^[?]:

We believe that to sign an act of war 2/3 of the government must vote in favour of the proposal. This means that although a government holds the power in the land, the country must be united in its stand to go to war.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	17:36:12, June 14, 2005 CET
From	First Socialist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	2/3

Date	19:16:46, June 14, 2005 CET
From	Kellarly Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Any particular reason?

Date	21:11:24, June 14, 2005 CET
From	Kellarly Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	I would go against 2/3 for the simple reason that a government can attain that quite easily with a coalition, whereas to go to war you need the whole government pretty much behind it, not just 2/3.

Date	22:33:35, June 14, 2005 CET
From	Ruthlessly Random Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	But there would always be dissenters so 100% would never happen.

Date	00:11:37, June 15, 2005 CET
From	First Socialist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	That is wrong. It is not easy to get 2/3 with a coalition. Also, if it takes 2/3 to change the name of the nation, it should take 2/3 to go to war.

Date	08:56:24, June 15, 2005 CET
From	Kellarly Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	To the RRP: Thats why I chose 75%. To the SP: Changing the name of the nation is nothing compared to going to war. However, in this case we agree, so its is changed to 2/3.

Date	02:32:33, June 17, 2005 CET
From	First Socialist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Accepted!

Date	06:57:58, June 17, 2005 CET
From	Communist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Does this replace the constitutional restraints represented in the Military Restraint Bill, or does it add to them? In other words, if this passes, will the concurrence of the Head of Government, Foreign Affairs Minister, and Defence Minister still be needed before war can be declared?

Date	08:35:17, June 17, 2005 CET
From	First Socialist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Add to them.

Date	09:37:05, June 17, 2005 CET
From	Communist Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Accepted.

Date	10:03:14, June 17, 2005 CET
From	Kellarly Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	Ok, 3 comments and its been up for a while..off to voting it goes.

Date	10:11:33, June 17, 2005 CET
From	Kellarly Party
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	It does add to your previous bill, basically the point about the cabinet members is still in effect, whilst it now requires 2/3 of Parliment rather than a simple majority to go to war.

Date	13:39:42, June 17, 2005 CET
From	Sanctaphrax Party (Mod)
To	Debating the Defense of a Nation: Going to War
Message	backed.

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