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Bill: The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004

Details

Submitted by[?]: Linkse Partij

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 4907

Description[?]:

The people should have direct influence over mayoral positions
and the seats should be increased so Every party no matter how fringe could have a seat (if the people want it)

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date09:58:50, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

We support article 1. Unsure about article two.

Mrs Ellen Hoffman,
Representative of the Fritzite League.

Date10:31:49, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

Article 2 increases representation for the people less people need to vote for a party to gain a voice in the Verbonden Congres/Konföderierter Kongress

Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse partij

Date10:51:52, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

I ask how would lead to direct democarcy.

Mrs Ellen Hoffman,
Representative of the Fritzite League.

Date11:06:17, March 12, 2021 CET
FromNationaal Groen
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

We support Article 1, but we don't support article 2. Why not, because if a party can't get 0,60% of the voters behind the party is not important enough to have a seat in parliment, besides this would involve more people wanting to go in politics and more people to pay by the government.

Sir Heppenheimer,
Party leader of GN.

Date11:13:04, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

Article 2 Verbonden Congres/Konföderierter Kongress is already direct democracy institution but article 2 would improve the representation

Article 1 would let the people elect their own mayor and not the municipal council wat will lead to a more direct democracy cutting out the middle man

Date11:43:20, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

Our problem with article two is twofold.
1) Since you are proposing an even number of seats this means that there is a possibility that there is no majority and both sides be equal in numbers.
2) Such an increase doesn't increase representation.

Mrs Ellen Hoffman,
Representative of the Fritzite League.

Date11:49:37, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

Members of parliament are payed an average salary so between 30.000-100.000 so the maximum price is 12.500.000 and minimum 3.750.000 that is a low price to pay for a better Verbonden Congres/Konföderierter Kongress

why representation matters OOC; https://www.fordham.edu/download/downloads/id/14402/Why_the_House_Must_Be_Expanded___Democracy_Clinic.pdf
Bic:

Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse partij

Date11:58:00, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

we see your problem with the even seats so we will change that
and what do you mean with it doesn't increase representation

Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse partij

Date11:59:39, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageOOC just going to say since here in narikaton and darnussia there isn't a winner takes all approach in elections this doesn't really do anything

Date12:05:51, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

So your goal with this bill is to increase representation correct. Here is why increasing the number of seats doesn't work. With the current system a seat represents a certain percentage of the population. So in order to win that seat parties must win that percentage. This gives small parties a better chance since it's more consolidated. If the number increases then so does the percentage needed for that seat, meaning large parties will have an easier time winning the seats.

Mrs Ellen Hoffman,
Representative of the Fritzite League.

Date12:32:54, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

If the number of seats go up the percentage pf a seat goes down because there a more seat now 565.620 are needed for one seat
if the number of seats is changed 360.686 people are needed for one seat

Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse partij

Date12:40:00, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

This could just solidify bigger parties control.

Mr Franz Von Fritz,
Representative and leader of Fritzite League.

Date13:05:57, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter

it probably wont happen but i understand your concerns and will remove article 2

Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse paritj

Date13:06:56, March 12, 2021 CET
FromDie Fritzite League (DFL)
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
MessageVoorzitter,

If we are proved wrong in the next election then, I will support an increase of seats.

Mr Franz Von Fritz,
Representative and leader of Fritzite League.

Date13:34:41, March 12, 2021 CET
FromLinkse Partij
ToDebating the The Direct Democracy Bill LP-004
Messagevoorzitter ,

ok we are keeping the bill in debate till the next election


Miss Lucina
Leader of the Linkse partij

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