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Bill: IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Party of Selucian
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2223
Description[?]:
| We should really offer moderate aid to those nations we think are in need. This will clean the way for a more active foreign policy and can be combined with our security policy as well. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government supplies "tied" aid to poorer nations in return for trading rights.
Current: The government supplies "tied" aid to poorer nations in return for trading rights.
Proposed: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:25:44, May 03, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | I don't like it :p [Currently, the bill title and description say "IPS"] |
| Date | 19:23:13, May 03, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | I still don't like it Why give money to bastards that don't even let Selucian companies in? |
| Date | 00:08:26, May 04, 2006 CET | From | Blue Sky Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | Support |
| Date | 04:57:02, May 04, 2006 CET | From | New Passive Militarist Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | Wouldn't "tied" aid lead to a more active foreign policy? NPMP is conflicted upon this one and could go either way at this point. |
| Date | 14:19:35, May 04, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | Well, "tied" aid as it is pointed out in our current law specifies the "tied" aid as trading rights. Trading rights are a good base but not the last. Like always a good trading situation needs also good security we can't gain in other regions under the current law. The term "tied aid" points out aid for trading right and only our treaties are able to put this law aside. But not all nations on Terra are allies or partners in one of our treaties. Nethertheless those countries may have a strategic location or strategic resources our Empire needs to hold the current status of power and/or develope this status further to upper hights. Let me give you an little example: With all SOTO , TDE and AN allies we are able to send aid without trading rights as these treaties offer us this option and our Imperial Senate voted in favour for them. Now we take a look on Pontesi to our western border. Our negotiations are going on then stopping and then going on again. But our hands are tied with our own current law. We wouldn't be able to use our economical power to "manipulate" the situation as I think at the moment Pontesi will not give us trading rights. But nethertheless Pontesi is in a good strategic position, economically and military. This nation opens a small cordon for all those we try to keep out of the "Mare Nostrum" the Majatran Sea. Also Pontesi is a key stone for our trading routes with our westrn neighbour. To be able to pick them on our side would be a new brick i our wall and our Trans-Archipelo-Project could gain new attation. We needn't to ship around their waters too if we will be able to have them on our side and this will reduce the transportation costs of our shipping companies. But to have the best available choices we need a more free hand we currently don't have. Spending some millions today to shorten the trading lines and sea-lanes will bring us the double, trible and more benefit the next years. And we would be able to secure our western border which will set free more military capabilities to send them elsewhere. As Empire we really should start to act as one. The history doesn't know Empires acting like small countries 'cause they fear the own power. All Majatran nations and the most outside of our continent knows about our trading skills, our technology advantage and our military power They like to trade with us, they like to be part of our security concept and we should like to conince more countries to participate from us. |
| Date | 19:51:19, May 04, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | I don't see why we give free aid to other soto tde and an allies anyway. The Selucian Tax Payer shouldn't be hurt by other nations being dumb enough to start a war they can't win |
| Date | 20:50:31, May 04, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | We see the VBS isn'T able to understand international treaties and possibilities. To use her words why shall other nations be so dumb to buy Selucian products. Oh, wait maybe because it has something to do with trade and politics ? Oh gosh, politics , politics , what a big word and why is foreign aid and military also politics, oh my god .... ... damn, help so much matters and only one grey cell. |
| Date | 04:25:10, May 05, 2006 CET | From | New Passive Militarist Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | Reply to the message dated 14:19:35, May 04, 2006 CET: Well put old chap. Supported! |
| Date | 13:15:35, May 05, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | What has' giving money to people that start a war they can't win' to do with 'buying Selucian products'? The current law just makes sure they are able to buy Selucian products |
| Date | 02:59:06, May 07, 2006 CET | From | New Passive Militarist Party | To | Debating the IPS - Foreign Countries Policy Act // 2222 |
| Message | I think it's the "mare nostrum" bit that got me... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 232 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 222 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 151 |
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