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Bill: Anti-Capitalist Cabinet
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Endralon
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2068
Description[?]:
| The seats in this cabinet are distributed according to each socialist party's electoral result and preferences. The NFC, however, has been given 3 seats (including head of government) because we need to offer them a better deal than the conservatives and lib dems have. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the 
Abandoned NFC Headquarters
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the MLC Old Endralonian Resistance
Article 3
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Abandoned NFC Headquarters
Article 4
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the People's Liberation Front (PPP)
Article 5
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Communist Party of Endralon
Article 6
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Abandoned NFC Headquarters
Article 7
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the MLC Old Endralonian Resistance
Article 8
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Democratic Socialists of Endralon
Article 9
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Democratic Socialists of Endralon
Article 10
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Unified Communist Labor Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:47:06, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | It strikes me as strange how fikcle these communist parties are. They try to ignore and victimise the NFC and PPP until they need their votes to stay in power! |
| Date | 12:50:17, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | We did not ignore or victimise the PPP and NFC. As you can see from the voting record... http://aiglesrv.no-ip.info:8080/particracy/main/compareparties.php?nationid=8 ...we have supported the PPP far more often than you have. The PPP is, after all, a socialist party. As for the NFC, we had been engaged in talks of a possible coalition with them for quite some time. |
| Date | 12:53:29, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | I was thinking more along the lines of the initiative for a permanent socialist Endralon (who cares if the voters disagree lol) in which the PPP (like you say, a socialist party) were excluded. You never include them, unless you need their seats. |
| Date | 12:56:13, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | If you remember, we (the Communist Party of Endralon) did NOT support the initiative for a permanent socialist Endralon. |
| Date | 12:59:27, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Furthermore, I hope you are not under the impression that your attempt to drive a wedge between the socialist parties in Endralon hasn't been seen for what it is. Clearly, the lib dems are trying a good old "divide and conquer" technique to break the unity between our nation's socialist parties. I am sure none of my comrades will fall for such a simple-minded trick. |
| Date | 13:02:25, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Nonsense. You started off by saying it was undemocratic, then you were offered defence and you said you would rather have economics! Then you abstained. Althought technically you didnt support it by abstaining, you were still in on it. And to be honest I'm just hoping the PPP dont fall for your exploitation. Its not as though we need to 'divide and conquer' we have already conquered you :-D |
| Date | 13:12:05, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | It wasn't a private discussion, so merely talking about it doesn't make me "in on it". In any case, if you do get your way, WE will be able to use your strategy of proposing the same bills every term until we get elected. :-D |
| Date | 13:13:06, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Btw, when are you going to move to another nation and leave us alone? It's really very rude of you to ruin other people's fun like this... |
| Date | 13:20:31, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | The irony of course is, is that the bills we kept proposing are actually popular with the electorate! According to the stats, the majority of people are capitalists, therefore repeatedly proposing anti-capitalist bills would further alienate you from the electorate. But dont let me stop you :-D |
| Date | 13:21:57, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Hahaha, so much for meritocracy. You think I'm rude because I'm winning the game at the moment? And why cant you tolerate a bit of opposition? It seems the communist regime in Endralon is going the same way as every RL communist regime. |
| Date | 13:46:31, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | The political views of the electorate, in case you haven't noticed, are set to vary RANDOMLY. Thus, at the moment, the majority of the people are pro-capitalist (though it is a slim majority), but this might change in the future. Or it might not. We have no way of knowing, since it's random. Of course, the people don't vote on the issue of capitalism vs. socialism alone, and, while the majority are pro-capitalist, they may be less capitalist than your party. Or the capitalist vote could be split up by the people's views on some other issue, thus giving a socialist party the most votes. Anything could happen, but one thing is certain: Proposing a bill - ANY bill - has the effect of increasing your popularity. |
| Date | 13:49:50, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | You're rude because you're ruining the game for your fellow players - you could just move to a more capitalist nation and start winning THERE, you know. If winning is what you care about, I can easily find you a nation where you'd get more votes (and seats) than in Endralon. And this game is, of course, NOT RL. In RL we also have an economic system, international relations, the people's political views do not change randomly, and so on. |
| Date | 13:51:17, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | I can't prevent you from staying here, of course, and I wouldn't want to throw you out even if I could. I'm only trying to PERSUADE you to leave us alone. |
| Date | 15:43:09, June 18, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | once again the IPSE was simply a coalition between four very similar parties which I consider a failure as not all parties wanted to join it , if you have a problem with established permanent coalitions you have a problem with about half the nations in this game. secondly you shouldnt so quickly side our willingness to accept our similarities with other parties over some differences , I mean your the one trying to make a coalition with a conservative but your fine with it because your both capitalistic. We have similarities with the NFC and we are trying to express them within this cabinet. So much for meritocracy indeed .. since when have we been advocates of meritocracy not that anyone could seriously advocate something so ethereal, winning this game is no more impressive than rolling a six its relatively random unless you are deliberately picking your politics to fit the opinion bars , frankly thats not why I play this game. Franklly you are perfectly within your rights to stay here and vote how you will but youve got to consider that most of us(the core socialist parties) have been here 10s of times longer than you and put a lot of work into this nation and yes it is ruining the game somewhat when you can destroy all that because Rand() turned up some numbers in your favour , I'd never try to stop you by force but don't consider this as any type of ideological or intellectual victory , its just knocking over sand castles. |
| Date | 15:44:12, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Delete This Party!!! | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Its a game for christs sake, it would be boring to have a country with 10 communist parties, the same way its boring to join a country full of capitalists. I am staying in Endralon, and I assume the NFC and lib dems will as well. (PS I gave you the chance to have a communist South Endralon, but you didnt want it) |
| Date | 16:08:04, June 18, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | yup it is a game , one most of us prefer to play on the international level , or at least we wish to confine internal politics to socialism , or heck I'd settle for capitalism not be able to win by pure luck. |
| Date | 20:50:56, June 18, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | OOC: Yes, it would be boring to have a nation full of Communist parties. What fun is that? IC: The PPP, after careful consideration, will vote to support this cabinet simply because we do not wish to see the Conservatives winning a majority. We, however, demand that other "socialist" parties respect our decisions and choices and cease and desist from any defamation of the party. In addition, we demand that, in exchange for our support on this cabinet, that the other parties vote in favour of our policies, whether they be a renewed AGE ACT or some other such bill. |
| Date | 20:52:39, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | We will never vote in favour of a policy proposed by any party which we feel is detrimental to the cause of international socilialism. |
| Date | 21:00:01, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists of Endralon | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | We also object to any attempts to use bribery in order to silence our democratic right to make our views clear to the electorate of Endralon. |
| Date | 21:04:17, June 18, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Then you will not get anything passed. You need my support and I need your support. It is quite simple. |
| Date | 21:34:18, June 18, 2005 CET | From | International Socialist Party | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | The CC of the International Socialist Party will support this, in the hope that the ISP will be included in a future Cabinet. Forward to a Socialist Endralon! Forward to a Socialist World! |
| Date | 23:04:42, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Abandoned NFC Headquarters | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | OOC: Shoot. This vote seems to ride upon myself. *kicks self*. This is what happens when one attends an all-night HALO party as opposed to watch developments carefully. Figures, I step away for a SINGLE NIGHT and this happens. |
| Date | 23:06:52, June 18, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | OOC: Haha. |
| Date | 23:07:46, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Abandoned NFC Headquarters | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Oh, and as I've repeatedly said, I vote against any division of Endralon. Just figured I've toss that in yet again. |
| Date | 23:12:08, June 18, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Yes, while you DO get the Foreign Ministry post here, look what you get in ours... You get Head of Government, FOREIGN AFFAIRS, and Defense. Three *major* positions in the government. Here you only get 2 major and 1 minor. Ours is MUCH better for you. |
| Date | 23:12:26, June 18, 2005 CET | From | People's Liberation Front (PPP) | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | Err, here = the Anti-Communist bill. |
| Date | 23:23:06, June 18, 2005 CET | From | Abandoned NFC Headquarters | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | My decision has been made, and in this case I've thrown my weight behind the Communist parties. Don't pat yourselves on the back, Communists, and don't despair, Capitalists - my reasoning is sound and will be posted in essay form. The branches of government had nothing to do with it this vote. OOC: I'm heading to a graduation party tonight. Maybe you guys can actually keep the peace in my absence *laughs*. |
| Date | 02:19:02, June 19, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Anti-Capitalist Cabinet |
| Message | we thank the NFC's wise decision in this , to the PPP why should we remove our principles to pass your policies when your in as equally as bad a position as any of us I could make the same threat and try and get abortions to two trimesters but I recognise that we're all sticking together in this one to maintain the issues we agree on (which are the vast majority) . The only person I will make concessions with is the NFC I promise to support them in most reasonable issues (and urge my allies to do the same) as long as you stand with us on the core capitalist bills providing of course I havent started the bill you wish to be voted against (OOC: that leads to big penalties). |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 341 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 316 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 2 |
| Random fact: The majority of nations in Particracy are "Culturally Protected" with an established cultural background. Only the "Culturally Open" nations are not bound by the rules surrounding culture. The Cultural Protocols Index should be consulted for more information about the cultural situation of each nation. |
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