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Bill: Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 5087
Description[?]:
| The President of the Federal Assembly is elected among the members of the Federal Assembly belonging to the largest party in number of seats. The President of the Federal Assembly coordinates the work that takes place in the Assembly. The President of the Federal Assembly does not take part in the debates, nor does the President participate in the parliamentary committees. The President shall nominate the Federal Council after consultation with representatives from each party group in the Federal Assembly.The President confers with the Vice-Presidents before placing a cabinet proposal before the Federal Assembly for the vote of confidence. If the Federal Assembly express through a vote of no confidence that the President of the Federal Council, or any member of the Council, no longer has its confidence, the President of the Federal Assembly shall inform the Council asking to discharge the Counselor concerned and to adopt the adeguate measures of the cases. The position of President of the Federal Assembly is the second highest ranked public position in the Union of Quanzar and Alaria. In terms of protocol, the Federal Council outranks the President since the Federal Council is the collective Head of State. The Vice-Presidents shall be two in all times. One of the Vice-Presidents must be chosen from among the parlamentarians elected in the constituency of Alaria, while the other must be chosen from among the parlamentarians elected in the constituency of Quanzar, but the voting to choose them shall be carried among all the parlamentarians of the Federal Assembly, resulting elected the candidates that win by a qualified majority. In terms of incapacity of the President, both Vice-Presidents shall act as a collective President of the Federal Assembly. ************************************ The Presidents of Alaria and Quanzar are the highest-ranked officials of the executive power in each nation. They are elected from the largest party in the nation after the general elections take place. This is a Constitutional Law and as per game rule it requires 2/3 of the parliament voting in favor. Alessandra Borgese President of the Federal Council |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:20:57, January 04, 2022 CET | From | Fiamma Blu - Alleanza Istaliana | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we would like ask some clarifications: The Presidents of the Community of Quanzar and the Republic of Alaria will be Vice-Presidents of the Federal Assembly? The President so is to be elected among the members elected specifically for the Assembly while the Vice-Presidents are authomatically the chief of the executives of the costituent republics? This is a worrying mingling between legislative and executive powers you know? We are concerned by the risk of conflict of interest between executive roles and legislative one. In Federal nation usually executive powers of federated states, directly or through their representatives, express their role through a second legislative chamber separated from the one that represent the federation people. Federal nations need certain constitutional and institutional balances. The current text totally disregard these principles mixing not only executive and legislative powers but mixing powers from different levels of our federation. And what about the Judiciary? How will the role of the Presidents of the costituent republics within the federal legislative power influence the elections and appointment of members of the judiciary? Despite the accusations by part of the current majority forces, we worked to give to the country a functioning federation and a functioning central government. You are the one who is trying to demolish it undermining even the healthy functioning of a federal democracy. Can we ask to both the government parties why your leaders opted for the Union when you don't want a central government and when what you wante was something most similar to a mere super-national organization totally under the will of the republics' executives? Why not at this point the two republics doesn't work through just international agreements and treaties? You don't want a federal government, you want just a join committee. With this reform we can assure you and our citizens that this is just the first path toward the transmutation of the federal government in a join committee of Quanzar and Alaria. What the next move? The legislatures or directly the executives of Quanzar and Alaria will appoint members of the Judicial courts? or maybe the legislatures or the directly the executives of Quanzar and Alaria will soon appoint their reppresentative into a "federal council"? Maybe the two Presidents will act as collective head of state? Why not? Even the most common and basic principle on the field of democracy, particularly within federations, are disregarded at this point by the blind extremism of the indipendentists. Furthermore, should we talk about the provisions of laws about coalitions? As presented now, and with the current national political situation, they are just an artificial and institutionalized way to assures the predominance of particular political forces and to bar other political forces to form coalitions led by other common interests then the ones specified by just how they votes. So, it is not diffucult to imagine that in the next elections just FPA and LQ will be able to form a coalition due to the rapprochement between our parties we expect during this legislature. It is not difficult to imagine that your common candidate to the Fedearl Council will be the one appointed and the only one who can be supported by a coalition with such rules. If this is what this federation should become at this point why don't dissolve it instead than make it a prank? Salvo Cutenna, IeU |
| Date | 16:49:12, January 04, 2022 CET | From | Partito della Sinistra Osiana | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | The League supports this proposal. For the sake of unity and to guarantee this proposal is approved the League hopes the suggestions brought by the Hon. Salvo Cutenna can also be taken into account. Marinedda Licciardi Spokesperson of the Quanzarian League |
| Date | 15:22:35, January 05, 2022 CET | From | Radiciale | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Mr. Cutenna, How easy it is to identify whether your party isin the government or in the opposition by the tone you use in this House. When you are the ones who govern, you show your most conciliatory face and your desire to collaborate with others to reach an absolute majority, but when you lose the government by the decision of our citizens, you totally change your discourse. What we have here is nothing more than a draft of what we want to become law, since otherwise, we would have proceeded to put it directly to the vote. Instead, we are here waiting for the suggestions of the rest of the political groups in order to implement the measures that are agreed upon. Isn't that precisely what you mean when we talk about "consolidating a democracy"? To establish clear laws? Despite this, I will proceed to clarify some of the elements presented here: Electing the Presidents of both nations as Vice Presidents does not undermine democracy from our point of view. The Presidents of both nations have already been previously voted by the people, elected by their respective Assemblies, to perform a certain task. When they occupy their position as Vice Presidents, they occupy a different role, and they will have to stick to it. The vice presidents do not have the right to vote in this case unless they have been elected to form part of the Federal Assembly, in which case they would have the voting right as members of the Assembly but not as Vice Presidents. On the other hand, the President of the Federal Assembly, being an elected position from among its members, does retain his right to vote. As you can see, we do not see great conflict in it, but one more representation of this Union among our nations. I believe that with this clarification of the rights and powers of the Vice Presidents, many of their questions are answered. Regarding the issue of coalitions, once again this proposal aims to get ahead when it comes to avoiding possible future problems. We understand that you may not like it, even that it uses a sarcastic tone to which we are not going to contribute out of respect for our voters and the citizens for whom we govern, but we ask that you re-analyze the proposal presented here and present us with the modifications that since its party, they would be implemented. Thanks a lot. We also thank the League for their support of this law, and we also offer them collaboration in any modification that they see fit. Alano Giaccone President of the Federal Council |
| Date | 15:06:45, January 06, 2022 CET | From | Fiamma Blu - Alleanza Istaliana | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Mr Speaker, responding to President Giaccone, evidently your point of view it's just yours and not at all the ones of centuries of political expertises and political history. We already underlined what's wrong with this law. In order to work effectively and without conflicts of interests between the components of a federation and between the powers within the federation and its components, it's crucial to assure a separation of powers and competences. Separation of powers are one of the pillars of democracy within any country, centralized as well as, and even more crucial, for federations within which, to project and make express the will of the members states at federation level it is used to have a second chamber "of states" with same powers of the "people's chamber" which remains the expression of the whole population of federation which officials are elected by these elected representatives with independent rules established by the chamber/assembly ifself. Said that, do you want our proposal? No admixture between the powers of federation and members states first of all. So: Vice-Presidents shall be elected by the Assembly among its members alongside the President of the Assembly. Maybe we can adopt a rule so that Vice-Presidents shall be elected one among representatives coming from Alaria and one among representatives coming from Quanzar, but always members of the Assembly elected for the Assembly. About the provisions on coalition, we would like prefer the elimination of all provisions related to this matter leaving to parties their right to establish alliances or agreements with other parties as they wish. Goals and objectives of a party cannot be classified with some statistics base on few cathegory index. Goals and objectives furthermore can change quickly, even between an election or another. Rapprochement can be seen between very different parties as well as crisis between parties very close or even within the same coalition. And due the very current political landscape we think and fear that such kind of legislative bonds about coalition can advantages someone at the expense of others. Obviously if two or more parties agreed to form a pre-electoral coalition they have to manifest this decision before elections. We would like add, related to the first issue exposed, the proposal to establish according to the federal status of the country a perfect bicameral system with the creation of the already mentioned "chamber of states", or whatever we wish to call it, where representative of the two states can better project and express the interests of the two members states of the Union. We can adopt the option of a representation based on the population size of each member state or equal representation (maybe the seats can be allocated at regional level). We will can decide if the people directly elect the members of such a chamber or if governments are the one to appoint directly representatives or if representatives are elected by and among local members of executive and legislative powers in which state or which region. All these proposals have been not presented just "from our point of view", they are based on centuries of political science and political history. In the current contest of course the issues we pointed out are seen from you just as mere obstructionism, but what we saw in the current proposal was worse than some parliamentary obstructionism, we saw it as a treat for an healthy democratic process in our country. Thank you Salvo Cutenna, IeU |
| Date | 15:36:48, January 07, 2022 CET | From | Partito della Sinistra Osiana | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Madam Speaker, Mr. Cutenna raises some interesting points, and we welcome the opportunity of continued dialogue on this matter. Regarding the issue of separation of powers, as the Union is a parliamentary democracy it is rather characterized by a fusion of powers. This is not by any means less democratic than the separation of powers within a presidential republic. We are open to suggestions regarding a separation between federal and national governments however. Lastly, while I am certain Mr. Cutenna's voters appreciate his erudition, here in this chamber we are rather more interested in his point of view than what centuries of political science or political history have to say. This is not an academic lecture, this is a representative assembly in a parliamentary democracy, and our role is to represent our electorate. I am sure Mr. Cutenna can do an excellent job at representing his constituency, so that whatever constitutional arrangement emerges from this dialogue reflects the views of a majority of the citizenry. Marinedda Licciardi Spokesperson of the Quanzarian League |
| Date | 02:50:55, January 08, 2022 CET | From | Fiamma Blu - Alleanza Istaliana | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Madam Speaker (OOC: sorry for the "Mr Speaker"), we thanks Hon. Licciardi expressing the will of the League to continue to dialogue to find the best compromise. About the issue of separation of powers, we didn't focused on the form of government and on the difference between a parliamentary or a presidential republic. We are conscious of the the fact that in parliamentary system legislative and executive powers are quite mixed and far less separated than a presidential republic. But even in parliamentary republics, and even in unitary parliamentary republic, such kind of fusion of powers take place at the same level and not between different administrative level. It is an assurance of fair independence and separation of powers, from up to down and from down to up. And into a federal system we consider this need for independence and separation even more important and crucial, for the federation as well as for the constituent members. And about your last statement, I didn't express all this because it was just a dogma of political science, but because what we exposed it has been recognized, and not only just on some academic books, as fundamental principles of any sort of functioning democracy. I represent my electors defending and exposing the best way to promote democracy in our country and I think that mentioning scientific and academic evidences, backed by the clear evidences provided in this case by the History, it's an adeguate way to support a thesis. Thank you Salvo Cutenna, IeU |
| Date | 16:39:34, January 21, 2022 CET | From | Radiciale | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | Fellow members of the Federal Assembly, This bill has been amended. The coalition's regulations have been deleted, and the Vice-presidents laws have been modified. Each of the vice-presidents shall be elected from the parlamentarians from each constituency at the start of each term, by qualified majority of the votes of the whole Federal Assembly. |
| Date | 16:39:36, March 10, 2022 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Constitutional Law on the President of the Federal Assembly |
| Message | OOC: Archiving. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 73 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 72 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
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