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Bill: Minimum wage
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party for Equality
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2071
Description[?]:
| Introducing a minimum wage of $8.50 for all Likatonian workers above adult age, and of $7.00 for those below. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:36:16, June 20, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | Any suggestions for the minimum? It should be quite low - just enough to ensure nobody is being exploited into working very long hours to keep themselves alive. |
| Date | 22:37:18, June 20, 2005 CET |
From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | Since I'm used to Canadian dollars (ooc of course)... I'd say about... $8.50/h. Though even though that seems low for now.
I think there should be a separate youth wage. |
| Date | 08:42:32, June 21, 2005 CET |
From | People's Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | Yes....I don't support a broad welfare oriented role for the Govt. I was going to propose around $16 billion mostly as grants and seed money to private organizations like charities and companies that have shown promise with dealing with the poor or in tackling other social problems. |
| Date | 08:43:13, June 21, 2005 CET |
From | People's Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | If you intend on a minimmu wage so high it will force me to scale back the program. |
| Date | 12:39:26, June 21, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | No, it won't. It wont require any government spending at all. It is just a law to make sure no companies are exploiting people. We wont have to pay a cent. |
| Date | 12:41:32, June 21, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | And $8.50 per hour sounds quite reasonable. A lower youth wage is also a good idea $7.00 per hour?
OOC: I think that would make it slightly over the current standard in Britain... |
| Date | 02:36:41, June 22, 2005 CET |
From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | A high minimum wage doesn't cost us a cent - except it costs our economy a lot. We become uncompetitive in the international market. Many people lose their jobs, thus resulting in a lower average pay than you would get if you had a lower minimum wage.
We need a minimum wage, but let's keep it a 'minimum' wage. |
| Date | 03:30:29, June 22, 2005 CET |
From | People's Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | The point is that minimum wage costs the economy in terms of higher unemployment...which then increases the pressure on govt to provide welfare. Thus I must adjust accordingly.
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| Date | 06:15:08, June 22, 2005 CET |
From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | PP - I never intended to have it high. I was working off a RL wage, and I thought it was within reason. |
| Date | 11:08:39, June 22, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | In truth this will change little, as most employers will be paying well above this anyway. Even if the economy slacks a little, at least it will be more balanced, rather than rich employers continuing to make lots of money by exploiting their poor workers. |
| Date | 17:24:41, June 22, 2005 CET |
From | People's Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | Most minimum wagers are teenagers who make an income as an allowance. All their other needs are taken care of- I fail to see how this is "exploitation" |
| Date | 09:33:20, June 23, 2005 CET |
From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | We are past the age of the minimum-wage steelmill. In Likatonia today, no sane company can employ people in bad conditions with low wages, and expect to make a profit. Lawsuits over on-the-job injuries insure that everyone is either well-protected or gets paid more than enough to take care of their medical expenses. |
| Date | 11:00:47, June 23, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | In that case this will make no difference to the status quo - if what you say is really true - and will have no effect on the economy whatsoever.
Neither did I say anything about poor conditions. These are just people working in low skilled jobs, who, no matter how advanced the law system is, are paid a pittance and have no baisis on which to sue, and no money to do so. |
| Date | 11:11:02, June 23, 2005 CET |
From | People's Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | It will because the service sector like retail, restaurants etc have very thin margins. 80% of the cost of a restaurant is in labor.
Walmart, makes a net profit of only $10 billion of nearly $286 billion in sales every year. Thats after it hires workers at rock bottom wages. Such companies cannot afford to pay people more without raising their prices... |
| Date | 19:07:56, June 23, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | The wages we are suggesting are low - if they were paying people lower wages than that, then they shouldnt be allowed to continue, whether this will mean a small rise in prices or not. |
| Date | 23:45:39, June 23, 2005 CET |
From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | LPE/OOC: A minimum wage at that level would take all the large retail and restaraunt chains in the US out of business. Perhaps more importantly, I don't know how much a Canadian dollar trades for compared to a US dollar. I do not know the exchange rate. |
| Date | 07:19:27, June 24, 2005 CET |
From | Right Wing Liberals Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | Resaurants dont need to supply American sized meals.
Should increase the charge and Tipping should be unnecasarry.
Solves the problem.
Dont assume we have this massive food basket like America does where things get thrown away conserve our enviroment. |
| Date | 08:34:43, June 24, 2005 CET |
From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | OOC: Yup, that'd kill Walmart. That's over two dollars higher than the minimum wage in the US. |
| Date | 13:18:55, June 24, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | why did you not mention that this was too high before? I would have been happy to lower it a bit - but up until now all your concerns seem to have been ideological rather than specific. Not dealing regularly in the dollar, I find it hard to think in it. |
| Date | 13:19:55, June 24, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Minimum wage | | Message | which is why I did ask for suggestions on the wage, and took the lower of the two I got... so I don't really think I can be blamed. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 72 |
| no | Total Seats: 51 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 77 |
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