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Bill: Free Assembly Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aldurian League of Communists
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2247
Description[?]:
| Off the Pig Man |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: The police may disperse a group without giving any reason.
Current: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Proposed: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:02:30, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Romantic Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | No. This bill takes a reasonable proposal and pushes it to the extreme. If tehre are reasons to believe a peaceful assembly could become non-peaceful, then it should be dispersed. |
| Date | 00:46:16, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | Why? On the off chance that it becomes slightly rowdy? For a party that bangs on about a Bandido dictatorship it sounds very much like you are in favour of dictatorial powers afterall. |
| Date | 01:13:40, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Romantic Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | For a party that becomes rowdy? Do you have any idea the amount of damages that could be done to citizens, employees of the state or property of the sstate? We differentiate between a protest and a riot. A protest has just cause and goes about its means peacefully. A riot has no cause, and goes abouts its means violently. In the case of our bill, as it is a legal action and people are allowed to appeal decisions, a court could decide if the power was used wrongly or if the authorities were in the right. This bill would let criminals have free reign in the streets as long as tehre were enough people in the streets. |
| Date | 05:20:47, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Republican League | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | If an assembly becomes violent and safety of people both in and outside the assembly is at risk then it should be disbanded... |
| Date | 09:28:18, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian League of Communists | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | If it becomes violent then a crime is being comitted and the police can act, if no crime is being committed then the right to free assembly remains |
| Date | 11:14:49, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Romantic Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | No, if it becomes violent, the police still have to manuever through the problems a crowd causes. They have to deal with a wide-scale panic, a violent force larger than them (if even a few sevtions of the crowd go violent,, they're still outnumbered), and they have to deal with the problem of getting through the crowd. Your bill does not allow it to be disbanded. It does not differentiate between a peaceful, non-harmful protest and a malicious, destructive one. Even if crimes are bing committed, the crowd remains a barrier because it as an entity, has no legal identity to blame for those occurences. Your bill blocks any dissolution of any assembly. While it does not restrict the ability to deal with individual criminals, it gives them a crowd to hide in, and creates a wall for them to stand behind. Nor does your bill adress the blocking of roads or essential routes. What if a crowd blocks a road to the hospital? Surrounds an ambulance? Otherwise blocks essential services? |
| Date | 15:10:05, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | It is their right to block whatever building they choose Mr Dictator. |
| Date | 19:14:23, June 29, 2006 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | RNP is right: the police cannot intervene by simply pretexting 'good reason to beleive' the crowd could be a danger for public safety, but if a crime is commited, or is about to be commited, the law autorize the police to act. This mesure was adopted back when alduria was a real -social- liberal democracy. |
| Date | 00:25:48, June 30, 2006 CET | From | Romantic Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | This does not allow a real danger to be acted upon- any criminal activities would be legally counted as independent of the crowd, and the crowd would remain a barrier. Oh, and again, as obstructing ambulances, necessary roads, or any other needed resource, is not a crime under this, and not a reason to stop a crowd, this bill merely supports the senseless butchering oif anyone in need. |
| Date | 00:46:12, June 30, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | Now that's a little far fetched, even for you !! |
| Date | 01:45:48, June 30, 2006 CET | From | Romantic Party | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | No, it isn't. Its entirely true, under the laws this bill wants to make. If a crowd blocks a road, what can the police do to enable movement to say, work? What can tehy do to allow emergency vehicles out? Truly, what? Nothing under this bill. |
| Date | 14:59:37, June 30, 2006 CET | From | Bendiri Bandidos | To | Debating the Free Assembly Bill |
| Message | I'd like to see you campaign in Bendiri with the message that a Bill promoting personal freedom is in fact going to be responsible for the "senseless butchering of anyone in need." They'd consider you quite insane and would they be wrong? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 235 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 55 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 111 |
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