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Bill: Ed of Prisoners
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2071
Description[?]:
| Prison should difficult and a a deterant not a country club. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:48:43, June 23, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | So convicts should come out with fewer opportunities to earn an honest living than when they went in? That'll do wonders for recidivism rates. |
| Date | 04:01:32, June 23, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | We do not say that those guilty of crimes should not receive support after leaving prison. We feel instead that while in prison they should not be pampered by providing educational programs and paid jobs and other luxuries. The time in jail should be unpleasant to give them a chance to atone for their crimes. Once they are released we should do our best to place them in solid jobs and provide training as we do with all our citizens. |
| Date | 09:32:45, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | Since when is education and a job luxurious? It sounds like basic human rights to us, though we'd hardly be surprised if the PP wasn't interested in respecting those rights either. The fact is that education helps prevent repeat offense by providing a job skill for convicts to trade on. Most people don't want to be criminals, and end up in a life of crime out of economic necessity. By giving convicts the chance to earn an honest living we drastically reduce the chance of them repeating criminal behavior. If the PP expects us to help place former prisoners in jobs after their release, why wait for their release to begin the job training? That's just poor reasoning. |
| Date | 12:14:18, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | just like the levp doesn't respect the rights of the creator by forbidding copyright and patent law. hmmmm. in any case, sorry to say we're not for this bill. ooc: Did you know, the UK is the only country in the world where the chief objective of their criminal justice system is to present repeat offenses? its a really big undertaking, hopefully it will work. |
| Date | 19:54:50, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | The choice to become a criminal is still a choice they made. We support training and educational opportunities but we feel that jail should be used as a punishment not a rehap center. Our jails have lost the ability to be a deterrent to crime, since people have learned how to work the system to get cushy jobs or a relaxing time in class studying subjects on the taxpayers Pliny with no interest in the material being taught. Our system is being manipulated and those sent to prison are laughing at the sentence. |
| Date | 01:23:15, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | This must be one of the dumbest proposals I've seen yet. |
| Date | 13:24:54, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Ed of Prisoners |
| Message | good morning Labour glad you could make it to the session. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 16 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 79 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 5 |
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