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Bill: Militarism Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gnazenal Phr'unt
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2256
Description[?]:
| In the face of foregn aggression it seems wise to increase the capabilities of our armed forces. To leave our men and women in the field without the tools they need to defend our nation is an insane and defeatist policy to persue. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:52:33, July 13, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | So you mean chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons would help our military? Those weapons don't target the enemy alone, it targets their citizens and their citizens have nothing to do with political mistakes their country does. WMD's hurt the environment and also start world controvercy, they do no good. We can defend our nation by not having these weapons. |
| Date | 23:04:10, July 13, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | Absolutely opposed. |
| Date | 01:40:20, July 14, 2006 CET | From | White People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | good idea. |
| Date | 10:20:22, July 14, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | So good you knicked it, damn you!! BPP if you read the Bill you will see that it allows the use of Nuclear and Chemical weapons in retaliation to their use by another power. Hence they would not start a world controversy, that 'controversy' would already have been started, and we would be judged right to defend ourselves. Those weapons don't target the enemy alone? That depends, they only target civilians if actually used on civlians population centres. Citizens have nothing to do with the political mistakes their government makes? Then who elects governments, as you point out, it couldn't possibly be the civilians. WMD's hurt the environment? I doubt they hurt the environment as much as petrol, or factories, that is a stupid arguement, although we wouldn't expect anything less from a party such as the BPP. We can defend our nation without these weapons, as long as noone uses these weapons against our nation. That is why this bill allows retaliation. Lodamun would never implement a first strike, but when certain weapons are used it is desirable to emply those weapons in retaliation, that is common sense. Perhaps if I put this into cRAP music your party would understand? |
| Date | 04:56:22, July 15, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | The BPP doesn't listen to that mainstream, stupid, and non-political rap music. We listen and teach through socially conscious hip-hop/rap...there is a big difference. |
| Date | 15:07:17, July 16, 2006 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | The CPP fully supports this bill as it currently stands |
| Date | 10:18:44, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | Hahaha, the BPP's counter argument concerns music? |
| Date | 18:31:20, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | because you got our musical beliefs twisted not our political beliefs... |
| Date | 18:56:55, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | Oh, because that is obviously more important than political debate? |
| Date | 19:13:31, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | Those weapons target civilians because the after effect would stay in the ground/water/air for hundreds of years, throughout the history of the world all WMD's have killed more civilians than military troops. Therefore civilians are the prime target. I say citizens have nothing to do with political mistakes because we just elect officials because we believe they will do more good than bad. For example George W. Bush, we didn't directly elect him, electoral college does that, so why should all the amerikkkans who voted for him, that completly wasted their time be blammed for his mistakes? Black people in the states don't vote much because we know neither major party helps us because we face poverty and those rich folks don't understand it. And also if presidents said exactly what they would do in office before elections, then nobody would vote for them except racist. And I can't believe your serious that WMD's don't hurt the environment as much as petrol or industries! They consider depleted uranium low level nuclear waste and it's not considered a WMD yet! And they also don't call WMD's, WMD's for nothing. |
| Date | 02:44:15, July 18, 2006 CET | From | White People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | in rebuttle to the BPP, I personally dislike political music on principal (i really don't think art should be made into politics...if there should be any relationship between them, it should be the other way around, which is why i do this kind of thing), which hurts my interest in hip hop, since almost all the good hip hop is political....yeah, i agree with their politics, and its something that they can speak pationately about...but i'm tired of fucking hearing it over and over again. that's also why i don't listen to punk. that and the shits can't play their instruments. c-rap...commercial rap. p-funk, on the other hand.... -- WPP fully supports this and any measure to ban rap/hip hop music in general. even though that would just crush all our children. |
| Date | 06:52:46, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | every style of music has a repetive thing...and banning music is just to unreal. Art should be made into politics but politics should be made into art doesn't make any sense...You also didn't have to continue the music thing. |
| Date | 11:24:16, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Militarism Bill |
| Message | >Those weapons target civilians because the after effect would stay in the ground/water/air for hundreds of years, throughout the history of the world all WMD's have killed more civilians than military troops. Therefore civilians are the prime target.< Not strictly true, poison gas would be used on the front line, hence unless civilians move into the front line, they are unlikely to be gassed. Wit the use of nukes, they would be used in retaliation, hence after our civilians had been hurt. Isn't it right that we should have a nuclear deterrence to protect our citizens? >I say citizens have nothing to do with political mistakes because we just elect officials because we believe they will do more good than bad. For example George W. Bush, we didn't directly elect him, electoral college does that, so why should all the amerikkkans who voted for him, that completly wasted their time be blammed for his mistakes? Black people in the states don't vote much because we know neither major party helps us because we face poverty and those rich folks don't understand it. And also if presidents said exactly what they would do in office before elections, then nobody would vote for them except racist.< Firstly where is this America? And who is George Bush? I understand that as a leader of the NF I have never visited Majatra, perhaps it is down there somewhere. ooc: Your political arguments are very poor indeed regarding the US, I am amzed there are actually people that think like you, basically you are full of bullshit. Why did people who voted for Bush waste their time? Why have you childishly inserted kkk into America? Why should the rich people understand poor blacks? It is not their fault that poor blacks depend on the state for everything. Maybe if those poor blacks tried to do something for themselves, as those rich folk did, then the poor blacks wouldn't be poor. And why, if Presidents said exactly what they would do in office, would racist vote for them? Are you really suggesting that GWB should have declared his strategy regarding terrorism before 9/11? If you want to debate real life political crap, debate it in the forums, it has no relevance to Lodamun. >And I can't believe your serious that WMD's don't hurt the environment as much as petrol or industries! They consider depleted uranium low level nuclear waste and it's not considered a WMD yet! And they also don't call WMD's, WMD's for nothing.< I can't believe you seriously think that the fewnukes that have been launched in Deltarian upon Deltaria have done more damage that the combined industries of Terra to the environment. Perhaps a nuclear holocaust would be different, but who here is arguing in favour of that? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 387 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 267 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 47 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow real-life brand names (eg. Coca Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft). However, in the case of military equipment brand names it is permitted to use simple number-letter combinations (eg. T-90 and F-22) borrowed from real life, and also simple generic names, like those of animals (eg. Leopard and Jaguar). |
| Random quote: "Poetry is about the grief; politics is about the grievance." - Robert Frost |