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Bill: Parochial Schools
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2071
Description[?]:
| Religious schools should be permitted for those who desire them. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Proposed: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:31:34, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated. Why? We don't want them only teaching theology. Theology is nice, but we still need people who have practical training. As well, any relgion should be able to set up schools seeing as who is to say what religions are recognised? |
| Date | 03:52:13, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | Er, change it to the "Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated." option |
| Date | 04:24:17, June 24, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | Any religion means just that: any religion. This can be taken to extremes by certain cults that pop up now and then. We do not wish to squash other beliefs and our Assembly protects the right of others to worship as they wish, this would extend to these schools. As for the regulations we see our laws currently preventing a parochial school from having prayer which is clearly wrong. In addition certain members of the Assemby have shown themselves to be antireligion and should a member with such beliefs become the Minister of Education, it could easily mean regulations which prevent them from teaching any religious views. Yes, they should still measure performance. Any recongnized religion would like this opportunity to teach their children. Thus they will do their best to ensure that parents are happy with the education their children receive, both secular studies and religious ones. |
| Date | 06:48:29, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | Remember, all religions that are not tribal were cults at the beginning. |
| Date | 11:35:59, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | well, two things: in terms of regulations, we would say that it would be pretty irrelevant, let us explain: a small cult will not have enough money to run a school in the first place and won't have enough followers to all attend the school even if it is set up. which takes care of that problem. second, as far as regulation is concerned in terms of what they learn, we could set it up so they are taught other things apart from theology, but the market will solve that problem anyway becuase we assume parents want to give their children the ability to read and think critically and to know facts. so those schools will have to incorporate that into their education plan. the danger is that in a country as poor as ours, (ooc: i assume) religious schools will turn into training camps for religious zealots that then go and do stupid things that damages lives and property. (ooc: example being the middle east) |
| Date | 11:37:35, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | in wealthy countries, (ooc: such as the states) religious schools are well rounded and produce education children who often do better than their other private and public school counterparts (ooc: many of you may remember my example of catholic schools in america during other debates) |
| Date | 11:57:53, June 24, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | "certain members of the Assemby have shown themselves to be antireligion and should a member with such beliefs become the Minister of Education" Ahem. A member with such beliefs is currently Minister of Education, as it happens. We feel it is important that children be exposed to a variety of religious views. Our schools should certainly teach about religions, but it is not their place to instil particular religious views in their pupils. As such, we oppose this bill. |
| Date | 15:27:55, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | Provided the cults are not dangerous to the children or their members we feel that they would have no trouble getting recognition from the state. And as long as prayer is not allowed we cannot permit the government to censor it out, thus we cannot have government oversight. |
| Date | 16:23:59, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | religious schools are inherently private organizations, so we support them. |
| Date | 16:24:47, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | also we would like to point out the separation of church and state is a big concern here. |
| Date | 16:27:47, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Parochial Schools |
| Message | actually, after some consideration and taking into account the wishes of our constituents, we must decline to support this bill at the current time. but we support in spirit. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 18 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 77 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 5 |
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