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Bill: Resolution Concerning Keymon
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gnazenal Phr'unt
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2262
Description[?]:
| Given events in the nation of Keymon http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?t=6746&mforum=particracy http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?t=6766&mforum=particracy and the fact we are members of the Keymon Neutrality Agreement http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=224 We feel we that we must come to the aid of the legitimate government of Keymon, in order to ensure its neutrality. Thus we propose that we make the 2nd Parachute Regt. (1,200 men) available for an immediate deployment to Keymon. Secondly we propose that we put the 1st Airborne Brigade (4,500 men) on immediate standby ready to deploy if requested by the Keymon government. The Primary function of this force is to protect the Keymon government, as required by the Keymon government. The Seconday function of this force is to provide 1. Medical attention to injuries resulting from fighting for ANY citizen, insurgent or ally. 2. Food and basic necessities for any innocent person who needs it as a result of fighting. 3. A network of refugee camps to ensure the sheltering, safety, and basic needs are given to all innocent persons who require it as a result of fighting. We reassert the following aims 1. No larger number of additional troops will ever be sent. That is, they can be rotated, but never more than the 6,000 total men will be deployed at any single time. 2. Our primary objective to directly defend the government and provide humanitarian aide will never become secondary to eliminating the insurgency, nor will it ever be any part of our goal to aggressively eliminate the insurgency. Further resolutions, if passed, may alter any of the above. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:25:53, July 28, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | What will be the instructions to the men once they arive? Will they be aggressive in attacking the Likatonian forces or will they be there to take out the communist insurgency? Will they be primarily peacekeepers, or there to blast the other side into submission? Also, what other nations will be assisting both sides of the war? |
| Date | 20:46:38, July 28, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | Good questions. 1) So far as the terms of agreements, and exchanges with the government of Keymon, they will be placed in Keymon to assist the legitimate government. 2) The Likatonian forces were initially invited into Keymon by the government of Keymon. Our forces will be there, if required to fight the insurgency. 3) We understand that their initial status will be as peacekeepers in order to protect key government installations and transport links. Below is the latest communication from Kyle Douglas, the Keymon FM "This has our complete support, provided that such armed forces are used to secure mountain passes and to prevent intervention by uninvited foreign armies in Keymon's internal affairs. You have my thanks." -- Kyle Douglas, Minister of Foreign Affairs 4) Seleucia is threatening to back the communist insurgency, mercenaries from Cobura are also operating with the insurgency. Likatonia is operating as a pro-government force, however we all know its foreign policy. |
| Date | 20:47:19, July 28, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | As this is an ongoing matter, to vote, but debate must continue, if you understand, we have 8 months to debate before the passage of this Bill. |
| Date | 22:07:46, July 28, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | Here\'s my take on the situation: A communist Keymon is not the worst thing in the world; killing innocent people in opposition to (or in support of) is. I will only support this if I am promised that in combination with their peacekeeping and safety duties the forces will ship distribute significant humanitarian aide to Keymon citizens. This will include (if you want my support): 1. Medical attention to injuries resulting from fighting for ANY citizen, insurgent or ally. 2. Food and basic necessities for any innocent person who needs it as a result of fighting. 3. A network of refugee camps to ensure the sheltering, safety, and basic needs are given to all innocent persons who require it as a result of fighting. Also I need assurance that: 1. No larger number of additional troops will ever be sent. That is, they can be rotated, but never more than the 6,000 total men will be deployed at any single time. 2. Our primary objective to directly defend the government and provide humanitarian aide will never become secondary to eliminating the insurgency, nor will it ever be any part of our goal to aggressively eliminate the insurgency. Those issues I will not budge on, however any additional proposals of non-violent help are welcome to me. |
| Date | 14:08:24, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | +++Telegram+++ From: Selucia To: Lodamun Subject: Keymon Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen, the Selucian Empire wants to clarify some question here. Neither does Selucia support communism in Keymon nor is Selucia acting against the HoS, theGrand Duke. We don't care which political position any Keymon party has. The reason for our involvement is simple: Keymon has several neutrality treaties and is a central key point for shipping-lines and trade from the South to the North and visa verse. Keymon's position help the Duchy to build up some impressive trade posts and is important for nearly all shipping in this region. Keymon guranteed trade with all and to stay neutral in all international situations. The attemp by Likatonia to conquer Keymon to get the trading money and bank accounts to pay their dream of a greater Likatonia is vilating the neutrality treaties and will impact the trade of all nations using these shipping routes. The current government of Keymon has several opposition , also the opposition of the Grand Duke who clearly pointed out NO LIKATONIA IN KEYMON. That is the reason why Selucia, Hobrazia, Kafuristan and some others are involved, to stop Likatonia taking Keymon. Our mission is not to keep Keymon or to fight the people there but only to push back Likatonia. Our targets are those of Likatonia in Keymon and their supply lines. We are bringing in medical aid and food for the people to avoid further harm but there will be no way to accept Likatonia in Keymon. Sincerly Imperator Marcus Assedus Conservatus Selucian Empire |
| Date | 16:50:27, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | We are not their to fight any other nation, we are there to support the government. |
| Date | 20:23:00, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | This resolution appears to suggest that we will be allied with Likatonia in defence of the government of Keymon. Why would we do this? |
| Date | 20:25:21, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | The resolution does not suggest that. |
| Date | 21:50:41, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | If we go there as peacekeepers, i would support. |
| Date | 22:12:44, July 29, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | I don't like that end clause, but I thank you for including my amendment. |
| Date | 04:49:36, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | We'd be protecting the Keymon government. Likatonia is there to protect the Keymon government, ostensibly. A deployment under these conditions sounds like it will be backing up Likatonian imperialism. We are willing to be convinced otherwsie, but can't see how this will get Likatonia to withdraw its troops, which surely is a main objective of our foreign policy, isn't it? |
| Date | 07:50:50, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | i am going to vote against this. Keymon has not invited us to support the government. |
| Date | 15:48:47, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | >We'd be protecting the Keymon government. Likatonia is there to protect the Keymon government, ostensibly. A deployment under these conditions sounds like it will be backing up Likatonian imperialism. We are willing to be convinced otherwsie, but can't see how this will get Likatonia to withdraw its troops, which surely is a main objective of our foreign policy, isn't it?< We have been asked to aid the Keymon government. We have not been asked to aid Likatonian imperialism. The Keymon government is not composed of Likaton imperialists. A deployment under these conditions is exactly what it says, in support of the Keymon government. The aim of this deployment is to support the Keymon government, not to intervene in the military situation between Likatonia and Hobrazia. Our Fpreign Policy aim is to supprt the Keymon Neutrality Agreement. As we can't do that without going to war with the two aforementioned nations, the next best thing is to aid the Keymon government. >i am going to vote against this. Keymon has not invited us to support the government.< It has in several messages between the two Heads of Governemnt. |
| Date | 18:05:20, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | If we were going in to *replace* Likatonian troops, the CCF would support. As it is, we are unconvinced that this deployment will do anything other than entrench the Likatonian presence and endanger our troops without a clear objective or exit strategy. Until these concerns are met, we must oppose this deployment. |
| Date | 22:44:46, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | alright then, in all honesty i do not see the point, we should keep our troops here to protect our own borders, likatonai will come for us, we should not help their occupation of keymon no matter how they try to legitimize it. They will come for us sooner or later and i have no intention of helping them. |
| Date | 18:51:45, July 31, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Resolution Concerning Keymon |
| Message | We are not helping thei occupation, try and understand that. Aiding the government of Keymon is not the same as aiding the government of Likatonia. Securing Keymon governemnt buildings is not the same as securing Likatonian possession of Keymon. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 407 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 175 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 119 |
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