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Bill: Getting the Most from our Education Spending
Details
Submitted by[?]: Restoration Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2072
Description[?]:
| Friends, currently Valruzian schools are underfunded, and we need a way to increase investment in our education. As it happens, we are very happy that we enable all of our citizens to go to university, regardless of income. But currently we are paying rich students and poor students alike. This is unnecessary. Why tax the poor to subsidize the rich? For ths reason we re introduce our 'value in education' initiative...i hope that this time the Libs and Anarchists will support...seeing as their extremist :) bill lost. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:04:24, June 25, 2005 CET | From |  Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | will the libertarian parties support this? |
| Date | 13:28:19, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | You know I won't. |
| Date | 13:29:33, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | We royals don't condescend to speak to communist usurpers. |
| Date | 15:16:52, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | who will support this? |
| Date | 16:49:40, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberty Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | We would probably support this |
| Date | 20:17:57, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Possibly. We would have to think about it, as the leaders of the three factions of our parties argued furiously over it. |
| Date | 21:29:48, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | we d appreciate a firm answer Anarchists! (i think we have the right to ask for one now!) |
| Date | 00:27:50, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Well, let's see. . . KO: But of course, anything that shrinks government spending is good. LAzD: It would be less libertarian to do so, giving some more of an advantage than others, and it would break our promise that localization of higher ed would not harm its funding due to government payment for tuition. neCebant: What would be more politically expedient, what would do us best politically. . . OOC: So there you have it, I don't know, it's up to neCebant. |
| Date | 00:32:38, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Okee, I've thought about it seriously Resdorazhun Pardy. Whatever we do would hurt us polidic'ly here. Tell ya what: wait 'till after next election and we'll vote for it? ~G. neCebant |
| Date | 02:56:36, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | We want no subsidies at all but will support this as better than the current that destroys our educational system. |
| Date | 08:46:23, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Labor Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | i vote no... there should be no discrimination even against the wealthy... plus wealthy parents may not always pay for their children's higher education... which will force 'wealthy' children to do what poor children would have to do should there be no subsidization - that is work full time and study full time... which is highly undesirable.. |
| Date | 13:57:42, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Let us stop funding the military instead, you silly persons. |
| Date | 14:21:53, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | @AP Vote for this and we;ll vote for the anthem! Why would it hurt you politicall? |
| Date | 21:16:18, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | We tried to make the anthem accomodate you. If you won't vote for it this way, then we might just as well propose version 2 or six, as LDP and RS agreed upon instead, after next election, assuming that the votes are there. If we ultimately do vote for this, we'll vote for it on principle. OOC: I don't know. I wanted to have neCebant come up with some obnoxious compromize. |
| Date | 21:45:31, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | OOC: don't worry about it. Vote for it if you want. |
| Date | 01:23:02, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | OOC: I'll have to think about it. I was thinking about it more from my characters' point of view. Truth be told, in real life, I would almost certainly not support this. It would either be everybody without the ability to pay (as some people's parents won't pay for college, even if they have the means, I've heard some of my parent's adult middle-class friends proclaim thus), or nobody at all, in my thinking. So yeah, I'd have to think about it. I've looked it over (the three regions I did well in) and either way actually will be costly electorally, voting on it in any way probably less so than not voting at all. |
| Date | 12:01:18, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | yay OOC none of us believe for everythign we vote for. What kind of a freak do you people think i am! |
| Date | 19:28:54, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Why should we pay for everyone's education? That's their responsibility not ours. |
| Date | 19:45:38, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Every peso invested in education returns something like six or seven pesos in economic benefit. And a strong economy is certainly not antithetical to a free market. |
| Date | 20:19:17, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Getting the Most from our Education Spending |
| Message | Not neccessarily - allowing those who have the initiative to compete will only allow the best to better themselves. A much bigger economic benefit in our eyes than wasting money in those who don't want it, but are just taking a free ride. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 89 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 74 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 12 |
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