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Bill: Improved Higher Education
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2073
Description[?]:
| This bill is designed to continue to allow low income students to go into higher education but to reduce support for higher income students. Ammendments to the Proposal: # Instead of a cut of point we propose a gradual slide from grants to loans as the income level of the student increases. With it starting the slide up fairly high up in the middle class. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Current: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Proposed: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:19:36, June 26, 2005 CET | From |  Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | saves the government some money and improves the quality of education by infusing colleges with more money. |
| Date | 20:30:19, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | Neutral. |
| Date | 00:36:05, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | Our concern is for the middle class. Often these programs neglect them, making schools difficult for them to afford. If we extend this to higher income levels then currently listed we will support. Perhaps with SOME of the money coming from loans instead of grants. |
| Date | 01:57:37, June 27, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | How would this infuse colleges with more money? Anyway, as the PP rightly points out, such a system will have to have some arbitrary cut-off point, and families just above that cut-off will be heavily disadvantaged by it. Any attempt at implementing a more subtle means-testing system is likely to cost as much as it saves. The fairest solution is to subsidise tuition for all. |
| Date | 11:14:12, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | interesting points, what about a cut off point that wasn't arbitrary; where someone could easily pay for the tuition? we have no problem raising the support for middle income families too. we also support loans and grants combined as the PP suggests. also, to answer the libcom's question; we were basing it on the idea that the government would have a contract with the school in which they provide a certain amount of money per year, for a set number of students. 00c: this contracting is common practice among local governments across europe (though not necesarily in the higher education arena) ic: with some students who can afford to pay for tuition then it would provide a boost to the income of the school, increasing the purchase of equipment etc. |
| Date | 11:18:40, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | also, as for means testing; anyone who has gone to college knows the paperwork involved in trying to obtain a loan or grant and the testing is based on a combination of earnings savings and other educational costs that the parents + individual have. means testing would not be that hard. and the bureacracy for that too work would very likely not cost more than it saves, unless horribly bungled by incompetency. |
| Date | 22:21:10, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | Instead of a cut of point we propose a gradual slide from grants to loans as the income level of the student increases. With it starting the slide up fairly high up in the middle class. We agree with the FRP in that this will permit a higher level of funding for the universities and other higher ed schools. |
| Date | 11:17:44, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | our FRC collegue has made a good point. we agree with this move. any other contributions? |
| Date | 11:24:43, June 28, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | We're still committed to providing free education to all, regardless of income. |
| Date | 13:06:32, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | admirable but pointless and expensive for the government at no benefit to the people. realistically speaking, we should be helping people who cannot support themselves, not people who own two houses and a yacht. those people can pay their own way and should pay their own way. it saves the government money and nothing changes for the students. |
| Date | 13:07:16, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | ooc: ammended the proposal, see above |
| Date | 15:55:30, June 28, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | The rich pay through taxation anyway. No need to add an extra layer of bureaucracy. |
| Date | 23:51:15, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Improved Higher Education |
| Message | well, currently we have no taxes at all. but we see your point. perhaps we can fix this at a later stage. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 27 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 73 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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