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Bill: Secular Schooling Act of 2073
Details
Submitted by[?]: Proletariat Revolution Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2074
Description[?]:
| In spirit of the Separation of Church and State Bill, and in good faith of equality for all, PSD proposes that the entire education system remains secular. The people desire a secular system, and the government is doing no favours by forcing religion on them. True equality can be achieved when no one religion or cultural group is given preference over another. Religion is a personal thing and it ought to be kept out the schools so that no one student is slighted due to beliefs. In good spirit of equality, while there ought to be no schools that cater to one religion and one set of religious beliefs, all schools should provide an education into the history, nature, beliefs, current history and foreseen future of all religions. Knowledge is the key to acceptance and tolerance. With this, all religions can be treated equally. From this, "Sunday" School, or the equivelent tbereof, is exempt from this act as it is not part of the regular education system and therefore is not within reach of the standards of the Likatonian education system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Current: Religious schools are not allowed.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:48:17, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | I suggest that before anyone jumps all over me, that I already checked public opinion and this is in favour of it. The public is very secular, except for one region which is moderately secular. I also have a previous bill that makes church and state separate in favour of equality. I would much rather see religion being taught as a subject wherein, all religions are taught equally. That way, all students know how all religions are strong and weak. |
| Date | 15:50:13, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | If I get support, I'll develop a bill to make religion, as a subject that covers all religions, something to be taught. Religion as a subject doesn't talk about one religion. It talks about the history, beliefs and future of all religions. It also encourages critical thinking. |
| Date | 17:19:57, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Does this include religious schools which teach out of school hours, eg sunday schools? I do think something needs to be done about the inequality of only certain religions currently having schools, but I would be in favour of less regulation, not more, so I will only support this bill if the one proposed by me is not passed. And I wont support it at all if this includes extra religious schooling |
| Date | 20:15:00, June 28, 2005 CET | From | mutt Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | No vote from me. |
| Date | 03:42:39, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Sunday school is NOT regular school, therefore making it exempt because it is provided directly from the religious institution as part of the weekly worship. |
| Date | 12:05:36, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Edelweiss Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Absolutely no! what my party would propose is: any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated. |
| Date | 14:10:15, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | I think that is a better option altogether, which is why I proposed it. |
| Date | 14:10:59, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | in preference to this one. however what we have at present is unacceptable. |
| Date | 16:21:57, June 29, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | The LFP will support both initiatives, as they are both better than what we have now. |
| Date | 16:32:27, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Take a look now. I explicitly mention that Sunday school (and all similar ones) are exempt and I also had put in earlier a clause that woukd teach the beliefs and principles of all religion. (the purpose is to encourage tolerance and acceptance; as knowledge is the key). |
| Date | 16:33:02, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Opps, my bad. I meant to say, I'd be adding it in as well. |
| Date | 22:05:46, June 29, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | Cheerful. I would've really liked to see this one succeed instead of the other. I'll apply the test I've used in the past to it. If the deadline approaches and that one will pass even without my vote, then I will vote no to it and yes to this one, to preserve my stance and yet ensure that the best option is passed. I will, of course, compromise my stance to pass something I see as favorable. If I'm the swing vote, my vote on the other one is secure. And my vote here is secure regardless. |
| Date | 01:03:21, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Secular Schooling Act of 2073 |
| Message | The Catholic Fascist Party recognizes the need for secular schools, however we believe that the government should support both religious and secular education, and let the people decide which school they will send their children to. The principals should be elected by the parents of the children attending the school. Each school will be able to make it's own precepts, providing that these precepts do not violate any Likatonian laws. This is the Catholic Fascist Party's position, and seeing the complete incompatibility of our position with this proposal we vote "no". |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 27 | ||||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 173 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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