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Bill: Secular Education Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: United People's Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2284
Description[?]:
| We propose that religion be removed from education. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Current: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:03:42, September 12, 2006 CET | From |  Sophian Party for Social Anarchism | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | Won't support this. |
| Date | 15:08:22, September 12, 2006 CET | From | Valruzian National Party | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | We will. |
| Date | 16:50:59, September 12, 2006 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | Why will the Vitalian Alliance not support this? |
| Date | 16:52:50, September 12, 2006 CET | From | Sophian Party for Social Anarchism | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | Many of our positions are developed from a Christian viewpoint of the world. Restricting religion this much is against our very being. |
| Date | 20:06:05, September 13, 2006 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | But its not about religion so much, as where it is right for religion to be. The United People's Party has voted against banning religion and such because we feel it is a right for a person to belief whatever they want, but schools are meant to be places of facts and reason and logic, religions are institutions of faith and the two cannot mix. |
| Date | 10:53:51, September 14, 2006 CET | From | True Valruzians | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | Of course they can, and more importantly, they should. However, perhaps the most important issue here is chpoice. If a parent wants their child to be educated in a school that has prayer, and is run by members of the same faith, then they should be free to do that. If a parent doesn't want their child to pray, or to be in a school run by a faith, then they should have that option as well. Its all about choice and a parent knowing what is right for their children. |
| Date | 15:08:26, September 14, 2006 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | A child is born in a certain country, he is told he is Catholic, he goes to church where he is told how Catholicism is right, he goes to school being told catholicism is right, he grows up with everyone, his family, his teachers, his friends (who have the same education) never questioning what is being told, and of course religion has such good ideas, such as homosexuality is wrong, the world was created 5000 years ago, adulterers should be stoned to death (just the female ones though, not the males). To be told these things, for it to be said that a child is catholic or muslim or hindu when it depends entirely where they were born is ridiculous and cruel. You speak of choice, where is the child's choice in all of this? One thing religion has never given anyone is choice. |
| Date | 15:47:22, September 14, 2006 CET | From | True Valruzians | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | What an ignorant outburst by the UPP spokesman. To suggest people will not think for themselves is wrong. So the UPP attack religious schools? Does that mean religious parents next, after all, you highlight them as a problem. For a child to be born a Catholic depending on where they're born is wrong? How is it? Birth decides pretty much everything in life, from intelligence to looks, are these wrong as well? You inherit pretty much everything from your parents, why not religion? A childs choice? Do you really propose that a four year old should be given the final say in these matters? Of course not. Given that a child cannot make this choice, who is best suited to do it? A loving parent, or a government who does not know the child? Of course the parent is best suited, and their decisions and beliefs should be respected by the government. Religion has never given choice? There are many religions in this world, there are many beliefs, not all of those who go to Catholic schools grow up Catholics, not all of those ho go to secular schools grow up secular. |
| Date | 17:38:52, September 15, 2006 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | I think the choice shouldn't be made for children, I'm not saying that schools should say atheism is right, i'm just saying they shouldn't advocate or be associated with any religion or atheism. And we are not saying people will not think for themselves, but these are children who are being told one thing (that there is a god or gods) by everyone from the day that they are born. If someone told a child that co And I must say that parents do not always make the best decision for their children in regard to their child's welfare and religious beliefs, some religions do not like the idea of blood transfusions and so would deny that for their children, is that right? The parent can still take their children to church if they so wish, the correct place for religion to be, they can spend hours at home telling their children about their religion, but I don't think this has a place in schools. |
| Date | 18:05:01, September 15, 2006 CET | From | True Valruzians | To | Debating the Secular Education Bill |
| Message | A secular school, without any religious input whatsoever, would naturally become a hotbed for atheism. Furthermore the choice has to be made for children, as the choice should be there. So what? Children will be told a whole variety of things from the day they are born, it is not the governments duty to stamp out certain forms of teaching. Parents make better decisions that the government could possibly. By proposing this law you are suggesting that the government and not the parent should have a greater say in a childs upbringing, that is wrong. Once again by picking out one religious teaching that is odd you seek to prove religious education is wrong by that? The example is a silly one, one could just as well say that most religions teach brotherly love and pacifism, and therefore secualr schools should be shut down as they do not have this central theme in all variations of secularism. Of course it has a place in schools. Furthermore religious schools are not just there for the teaching of religion, they are schools. If the UPP are worried by what is taught in religious schools, then regulation would be the answer, not a complete shut down. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 141 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 359 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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