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Bill: Public Assembly
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rationalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2075
Description[?]:
| Current legislation weakens the government's postion in the face of riots. The police cannot disperse a rioting or unsafe group and as such, there is an increased risk to property. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Current: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Proposed: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:36:23, June 29, 2005 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | I dont think assemble in groups really has anything to do with riots. Riots to me isn't assembling, its disturbing the peace. I dont think the current legislation would prevent dispersal of a riot. |
| Date | 08:30:19, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Telemon Lutheran Party | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | What are you on about? Riots are the result of unsafe groups who are allowed by law to assemble and plot about their criminal activity in public, so if police have the power to disperse an unsafe group, everything will be a little safer for all. |
| Date | 17:06:16, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | The idea is that generally riots do not start out as riots, and that there are warning signs that a riot is about to occur. If at this point police can break up the group, there are fewer arrests and less damage to businesses. |
| Date | 19:33:15, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Innocent until proven guilty. If they haven't done anything wrong yet, they shouldnt' be punished/broken up. Exactly what "signs" are you talking about anyway? |
| Date | 21:21:14, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Crowd reaction to a speaker, speakers words (inciting a riot is a crime), violence and destruction of property. Under current legislation the police could only pull out those who were actually commit a crime, putting officers in danger from outraged protesters. This bill will not restrict those who wish to protest, just provide for the safety of those around. |
| Date | 00:09:51, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Even Israel doesn't disperse....so why should we? |
| Date | 01:58:22, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Isreal also doesn't police the occupied regions, that's now under the Palestinian government |
| Date | 05:00:35, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Well if they are using violence and destructing property, they are committing crimes and can be locked up. |
| Date | 18:08:55, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | Have you ever walked past a large group its quiet worrying. Also if we stop groups from forming it will stop groups before they comite a crime, its no good trying to stop them after they break the law. |
| Date | 19:04:49, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Public Assembly |
| Message | But that would be like invading a country because you think they are going to attack you in the future.... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 112 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 121 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 17 |
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