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Bill: Motto of Baltusia

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Progressive Conservative Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2080

Description^[?]:

In correct latin grammar, our current motto: 'E pluribus, libertas' makes no sense - 'out of many, freedom'?

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	02:28:30, June 30, 2005 CET
From	Progressive Conservative Party
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	'Novus Ordo Seclorum' means 'a 'new cycle of ages' . We think this appropriate and inspirational for our citizens.

Date	08:01:22, June 30, 2005 CET
From	Hosengott Nationalists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	we of the Nationalists agree fully

Date	13:41:39, June 30, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Ive always wondered what "E pluribus, libertas" means... Does it have to be in Latin? What's wrong with English? What about something humorous?

Date	06:09:02, July 02, 2005 CET
From	Democratic Socialists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	There's nothing wrong with the motto as it is... "E Pluribus, Libertas" - "Out of many, freedom"... it was one of the things passed at the beginning of the Republic of Baltusia, and we feel strongly that it should remain.

Date	23:52:57, July 02, 2005 CET
From	Progressive Conservative Party
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	We wondered... out of many what? Ours would be more clear... tradition for traditions sake is illogical. In addition 'a new cycle of ages' implies continuity for our country and a forwards looking mentality.

Date	05:35:18, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Progressive Conservative Party
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Nevertheless this was merely a proposal. We will wait for furthur input.

Date	06:47:05, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Democratic Socialists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Out of many regions, many people, many dreams, many ideals; the multitude tat is Baltusia. We are equally opposed to tradition for tradition's state, but we feel that this change is not necessary, as the motto is not out of date.

Date	15:00:01, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	We suggest "Baltusia Rocks". Its unlikely to need to change from dating. EVERYONE can understand it. And its straightforward...

Date	16:34:01, July 04, 2005 CET
From	National Party of Baltusia
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	This change is not nessercary...as for the new proposal, I would not agree. It seems too...ominous.

Date	04:45:58, July 07, 2005 CET
From	Progressive Conservative Party
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	OOC: hehehe i wondered when the previous members of the enente would pick up on it. We love the idea of "Baltusia Rocks"

Date	08:16:36, July 07, 2005 CET
From	Hosengott Nationalists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Indeed we must somehow make everything light and so fourth must we not we do agree something in english would be better for the common mind though we are in favour of none of the nonsence of "Baltusia Rocks" also staying with this tired old senceless motto is redundant

Date	04:20:43, July 08, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Loosen up Nationalists: Not EVERYTHING has to be serious.

Date	15:23:11, July 08, 2005 CET
From	Hosengott Nationalists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	These are words to guide our nation if they cannot be taken seriously how can we?

Date	15:44:31, July 08, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	The motto is a representation of a nation, not a guiding statement. It is the effect, not the cause.

Date	19:44:56, July 11, 2005 CET
From	Democratic Socialists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	The current motto is neither "tired" nor "senceless" [sic].

Date	01:16:58, July 12, 2005 CET
From	Hosengott Nationalists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	We still feel it must be changed to something that can be understood by all and be thought of with pride

Date	05:32:53, July 12, 2005 CET
From	Democratic Socialists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	The proper penalty of ignorance, according to Plato, is that those who do not know should be taught by those who do. People who do not understand, can learn. We feel that liberty is something to be thought of with pride.

Date	06:40:42, July 12, 2005 CET
From	Democratic Socialists
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	OOC: D'Oh! Just realised that in the Particracy world, there was no Plato. Ah well..... :-)

Date	11:21:24, July 12, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	OOC: Nations should start claiming these things though. Perhaps there was no Plato but who's to say that there wasn't an equivalent in our world. Maybe he was Baltusian...

Date	11:22:40, July 12, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Anyway, can we reach a consensus or delete this bill?

Date	00:31:43, July 13, 2005 CET
From	Progressive Conservative Party
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	Voting commences on trial run.

Date	02:50:04, July 13, 2005 CET
From	Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
To	Debating the Motto of Baltusia
Message	So the proposal is 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' ? Cant say we favour either or really....

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