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Bill: National Industry Legislation
Details
Submitted by[?]: We Say So! Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2077
Description[?]:
| In order to maintain a high level of public services, but also to encourage investment, the Government will assume control of all Industries deemed to be of strategic importance to the provision of high quality public service. These to include: 1. Public Transportation (including, but limited to, Rail networks, Local and long distance bus and coach services, Airports, Local Light-Rail and Underground networks). Vehicle rental (including Taxi's and private mini bus and coach hire) will continue to be maintained by the Private Sector. Independent Airline Companies will also be allowed to operate alongside a National/International Government carrier but will be required to pay "rent" when utilising Publically owned Airports (as will all Foreign International Carriers). 2. All Public Utilities (including, but not limited to, Power generation and all its subsidiaries including mining operations required for the operation of said Power generation facilities, Water supplies, Landline Telecom networks). Mobile Telecom networks, and mining not directly required by Power Generation facilities will contiune to operate in the Private Sector. Should Private individuals construct power generation devices (e.g. Solar Panels) to power their own homes then they can, should a compromise price be agreed upon, sell the remaining unused power generated back to the National Grid. 3. The Health Care of the Nation will be provided by Government owned and supported utilities (including, but not limited to Hospitals, General Practitioner Medical Centres, Dentists, pharmacies et al). All agencies directly related to medical care will also be contained within the public sector (e.g. hospital cleaners, food providers etc). Private practices will be entitled to operate alongside the National Health Service to provide non-essential services (e.g. non-essential plastic surgery), but will be heavily regulated at all times to maintain maximum quality standards. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Current: The government subsidizes private enterprises that face bankruptcy.
Proposed: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:04:11, July 02, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Any more ideas? There are loads of things that should be added to this, but as soon as I started writing I got writers block... |
| Date | 10:24:38, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | I can't think of any. One question - are private mining companies allowed if they are not connected to the power generation industry as that is ambiguous in the bill. Otherwise we support. |
| Date | 10:31:16, July 02, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Are private industries in the transport and utilities industries allowed to exist on any level or is it complete nationalisation? |
| Date | 10:59:44, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | As interpret it public transport will be fully nationalised but other transportation industries (e.g. coach hire) are still private. As for power generation maybe that should have an extra clause allowing private power plants to add to those run by the government but for the majority to be publically owned and run. |
| Date | 11:00:18, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | There should be an I in the first sentence, between second and third words. |
| Date | 11:22:35, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | O.k we can support this if private power plants can still operate alongside those owned by the government. Even though a small number of private power plants will operate, I believe even a small number outside of government control is a better option then complete government control. |
| Date | 15:22:51, July 02, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | I don't understand the requirement of Private power stations outside of the government controlled grid. I'm willing to listen to reasons for a modification if someone can give me a good one. |
| Date | 19:55:34, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Private power stations that operate free of government control can serve alongside government power stations and give the people an option to choose between the two. This may result in decreased burden on the government and also provide a lower cost alternative for those consumers who choose a private company. |
| Date | 20:20:32, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | We will reject. It smacks of sheer hypocracy to me: picking and choosing what industries to nationalise for the 'good' of the country: yet effectively turning a blind eye to corporate crimes which happen every day by multinational companies and organisations. We need to nationalise all industry, bring an end to the capitalist system which plunges millions into poverty, and ensure a future for everyone. This Bill dodges the real issue. |
| Date | 20:28:28, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | How about if some person decides to be install their own wind turbine/solar pannel for personal use. We would like to see them able to sell any excess power to the national grid so that the power is not wasted and an extra supply is created. |
| Date | 20:36:31, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | I will support this because hopefully it will prevent complete nationalisation of all industry. |
| Date | 20:54:36, July 02, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Agreed. With all these socialists we will never get total privatisation (not that we want it) but full publicisation would be just as bad. The joys of compromising... |
| Date | 20:59:55, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | You gotta love a good compromise. I know I do. |
| Date | 21:19:54, July 02, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Bill modified to accept altered power generation proposals. |
| Date | 21:29:24, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Looks good. |
| Date | 00:44:28, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | No problems with what has been proposed, but healthcare springs to mind. However, I'm assuming as this is such a huge issue it will be added to the game very soon as a separate issue in its own right (the SDLP stands for a national health service with excellent standards in hygiene, treatment, diagnosis and care, which is free to all Hobrazian citizens at the point of need). We will support this bill. |
| Date | 00:46:36, July 03, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Health care will be dealt with in this bill - http://aiglesrv.no-ip.info:8080/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=792 It wouldn't hurt to mention it in this bill though. |
| Date | 00:50:45, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | No problems with what has been proposed, but healthcare springs to mind. However, I'm assuming as this is such a huge issue it will be added to the game very soon as a separate issue in its own right (the SDLP stands for a national health service with excellent standards in hygiene, treatment, diagnosis and care, which is free to all Hobrazian citizens at the point of need). We will support this bill. |
| Date | 00:52:48, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Apologies for double post, don't know what's going on with my computer/the server today!! |
| Date | 12:48:18, July 03, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Health service now included, though full health service provision will be included in National Health Act. |
| Date | 11:58:41, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Time to vote? |
| Date | 22:58:49, July 06, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Anyone else think its funny that the USM is voting against a socialist policy? |
| Date | 23:06:52, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | Maybe they want full public control but want to miss the middle compromise step? It's still ironic though. @USM - I hope that comment doen't lead to an argument similar to the one over capitalist HoS and HoG titles. |
| Date | 13:47:08, July 07, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | It's not a socialist policy: I doubt many credible socialists would support a hypocritical Bill like thsi one, for reasons I have already explained. |
| Date | 15:56:52, July 07, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | It is a socialist policy as we are taking control over the means of strategically important industries. If you mean it isn't a Communist policy, then I would agree... |
| Date | 15:28:38, July 08, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | The very essence of socialism is to eradicate capitalism and the negatives that go with it. Communism would be one solution to this. Since the Bill is being selective and allowing such horrendous private businesses to prosper, it can't be a socialist policy. |
| Date | 15:29:12, July 08, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the National Industry Legislation |
| Message | one thing i've noticed since participating in Particracy is the number of parties who say they are socialist and evidently are not... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 309 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 51 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
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