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Bill: Pensions
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Forwardist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2076
Description[?]:
| The great majority of people who retire need some form of finincial aid, and it is the duty of the more fortunate to care for the worse off. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:43:46, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | What happened to people making choices for themselves? Why would anyone bother to save money if they know the government will save them in the long run? |
| Date | 08:05:24, July 02, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | I will not sit back and watch as 80-90 year olds keep their minimum wage jobs well past retirement because they never made enough to save for themselves. It is our duty to help these people. making decisions for yourself has nothing to do with this. |
| Date | 11:12:17, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | LOL Yay! We can all ignore responsibility and not work for a living, the government will bail us out no matter how much we fail to take responsibility for! |
| Date | 16:14:16, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists of Luthori | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | We will support this, of course. |
| Date | 19:50:55, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | Ok then. However, is this like a normal pension system(where you get money depending on what you worked, how much, how long, etc), or are you just going to go, "Here, have some money!" We only support giving money to the EXTREMLY poor(as in they can't feed themselves), but everyone else should get paid depending on how much they worked. |
| Date | 16:23:13, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | its compulsory, that means they'll go "Here, have some money!" |
| Date | 23:04:58, July 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | 'compusory' means that people like you don't have the option of letting these people starve to death because they never made enough to live off of when they were working age. |
| Date | 15:00:52, July 04, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | I'm fine with it, people can always get suplemental pensions from private companies... |
| Date | 02:15:27, July 05, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Pensions |
| Message | actually, private pensions in addition to public ones was a different option |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 535 | |||||||
| no | Total Seats: 51 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 113 |
| Random fact: Submitting a bill without any proposals in it will not attract or detract voters. It will not raise your visibility or change your political position. |
| Random quote: "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire |