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Bill: The Child Protection Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Söhne der Freiheit
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2077
Description[?]:
| In order to protect our children from the sick and disturbed child molesters and murderers, we propose harsher punishments for the molesters and kidnappers. Anyone found guilty of molesting a child will bear a minimum prison sentence of 25 years. Anyone found guilty of kidnapping a child will bear a minimum sentence of life in prison. Anyone found guilty of murdering a child after kidnapping or molesting that child will be put to death. In the case of a grave emergency at which the welfare of a child is endangered where the abduction of a child is perpetrated by more than one person, if the police have that person in their custody they may apply excessive force in order to obtain information to save the child's life. Mutilation through torture however, is not allowed. No torture may be applied where the perpetrator is in danger of losing his life, and extremely cruel force such as ripping off fingernails, pain applied to the genitalia, or any other mutilating or sexual force is not allowed. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:04:55, July 03, 2005 CET | From | mutt Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | No and no. Just give them life imprisonment. |
| Date | 00:16:58, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | Nary shalt SLP ever support torture and capital punishment. Information obstained from torture is done under pressure to end it and therefore will be designed to be what the torturers want to hear even if it is a lie. Capital punishment never solved anything. |
| Date | 00:29:09, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | Capital punishment makes people think twice before making a grave mistake. We will consider removing the torture clause. |
| Date | 00:43:01, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | I love the way you use the child sentiment tactic to make the idea of the government maiming and killing people seem more attractive. No. |
| Date | 00:46:03, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | As I said before, it wouldn't be 'torture' in the implied sense of the word. When most people think of torture they think of ripping off people's eyelids and other mutilations, but as I stated mutilation is not allowed. The only "torture" allowed would be making the perpetrator uncomfortable, or for example slapping him across the face. |
| Date | 10:06:14, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Right Wing Liberals Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | Phone Books are better they dont really cause cuts... Ill support if need be. |
| Date | 13:32:35, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | That isnt torture. That is just violence. but I dont think that even violence should be used. |
| Date | 16:40:00, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | I second that. Though, CTP, how do you respond to the challenge that those who face the death pentalty, if this does pass, might want to have it? How is that a deterrent if the person being sent down the green mile wants to die? |
| Date | 23:18:54, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | In that case, putting them to death wouldn't cause more violence, it would just fail to deter it, but I beleive that's a very, very, small minority and the death penalty will deter a significant amount of others. |
| Date | 23:22:47, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | Since there's no: "Violence and discomfort, but not torture" option, I'll be temporarily removing the torture article. |
| Date | 07:25:27, July 04, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | The NCP will support this. We would like to point out that there is a serious moral qualm to the life sentence. It is a cruel and unusual punishment, and we would prefer to see capital punishment applied in many of these cases, except where the defendant's guilt is beyond doubt and they have committed a truly horrible crime, in which case, they should have life imprisonment in the bleakest cell we can find and they should be forced into hard manual labour. |
| Date | 22:53:23, July 04, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | CTP - isn't killing a mortal sin in Catholicism? So, how can you endorse it? Didn't Christ himself condemn murdering? Yes the perpetrators have also done equally as bad, but, if the government endorses the death penalty, we've legalised murder in a way. |
| Date | 05:06:31, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | "CTP - isn't killing a mortal sin in Catholicism? So, how can you endorse it? Didn't Christ himself condemn murdering?" Murder is a mortal sin, not killing. Murder is killing for an unjust reason. Having heard most everyone's opinion in this issue, we are moving it to a vote. |
| Date | 05:15:55, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | Killing is killing. There are no two ways about it. Whether you kill someone for stealing a loaf of bread or for getting in your way or for hurting another human is irrelevant. It's still murder. |
| Date | 07:58:05, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Right Wing Liberals Party | To | Debating the The Child Protection Act |
| Message | LPE i guess i like Violence |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 61 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 65 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 74 |
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