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Bill: NPP National Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Democracy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2077
Description[?]:
| A Bill that is intended to recover the Nation from the evil socialist policies that have been destroying Rutania. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Current: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Proposed: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Current: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Proposed: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; no aid is given to them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:40:38, July 05, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | Late abortion isn't a socialist policy. The LAP, one of the more extreme pro-capitalism parties in Rutania, fully supports abortion laws as they currently are. |
| Date | 22:42:41, July 05, 2005 CET | From | New Democracy | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | The LAP is pro-capitalist but it has no sense of morality. |
| Date | 22:50:02, July 05, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | My point was that although current abortion laws might be objectionable, they weren't neccessarily socialist as implied in the bill description. By the way, we support your education propoposition, but disagree with the rest of the bill (however, we would like to see pension reform - but would more likely support a voluntary private system with no public funding). |
| Date | 23:14:43, July 05, 2005 CET | From | Humanist Socialist Party | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | Predictably, we're going to continue the socialist destruction of Rutania by opposing this bill... |
| Date | 09:45:13, July 06, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | As are we... Although I might add that "socialist destruction" is not the right term for describing our progressive policies. We have only the best interest of the people at heart and refuse to surrender them to the semi-slavery of capitalism. |
| Date | 10:19:24, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | semi slavery, thats funny. I AM POOR, MY FAMILY IS POOR. My borther is getting paid to go to college next year as part of that government scheme, yet we value capitalism as it rewards HARD WORK and EFFORT and you do not get a lot of benefits JUST FOR EXISTING! |
| Date | 11:35:43, July 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | Do you think that social democracy or socialism doesn't hard work and effort? Capitalism is bad because it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. You might want to consider the fact that people that are unemployed often don't choose to be unemployed, but they have no choice! If we follow your logic those people wouldn't be entitled to social security! If we follow your logic we should just let them die from hunger! |
| Date | 11:36:00, July 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | *doesn't reward hard work and effort |
| Date | 17:51:34, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | Capitalism is semi-slavery, but socialism is absolute slavery. |
| Date | 17:59:17, July 06, 2005 CET | From | New Democracy | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | "Socialism is like a dream. Sooner or later you'll wake up." - Winston Churchill Capitalism is the best meritocatic system known at the moment, of course it isn't perfect, but it's the best we have. |
| Date | 18:01:53, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | By the way, I wasn't slagging capitalism off there, I'm a capitalist. I was pointing out socialism's nature while conceding the RSDP's silly view of capitalism. |
| Date | 21:30:07, July 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | Socialism (as the RSDP views it) is not semi-slavery, socialism is a balance of freedom, (social) justice, solidarity, democracy and human rights. Whereas capitalism is only (economic) freedom. It is a fact that in a capitalist society there exists no social justice or security and people are virtually forced to work long hours at low wages and human rights are continuously violated. The LAP is probably referring to Stalinism, not to socialism. And meritocracy is not a good system anyways because it doesn't give any rights to people who don't have the chance to participate in it or that are unemployed. Or basically, meritocracy = capitalism. Oh, and one more thing, you all seem to mistake supporing a free market with capitalism. While supporting a free market is not only capitalist, but also liberal, social democratic, etc... |
| Date | 21:31:16, July 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | I suggest you read the Declaration of Principles of the RL Socialist International as it pretty much sums up what I believe socialism truly is. |
| Date | 22:14:33, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | I tend to refer to capitalism as a system of both economic and social freedom (note, this is not synonymous with 'social justice' as you would define it). Although some branches of authoritarian capitalism exist, in my experience those who declare themselves capitalist these days tend to be socially permissive as well (I know that this is my philosophy). |
| Date | 22:17:09, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | By the way, the tenets of "(social) justice" and solidarity both imply that an element of authoritarianism is required. Thus I think it's more apt to refer to socialism as semi-slavery than capitalism since those in a socialist society will be forced to participate more in society and to sacrifice their liberty, resources and work for the good of others (of course neither philosophy is actually slavery, we're talking in metaphors). |
| Date | 23:44:40, July 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the NPP National Bill |
| Message | It doesn't, like I said it's all about balance. Solidarity and social justice are interdependent, and solidarity, (social) justice and freedom are interdependent. The one can't exist without the other. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 100 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 292 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 107 |
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