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Bill: Gun Safety Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: One Cildania Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2324
Description[?]:
| To allow Cildanians to live a peaceful existence by reducing the level of gun violence prevalent across the country. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Current: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Proposed: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Current: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Proposed: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, but these may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:13:16, November 22, 2006 CET | From |  Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | What gun violence? And guns aren't violent, people can be violent, but not inanimate objects...All that can be achieved by tighter firearm regulations is the disarming of law abiding citizens for the benefit of Cildanias criminal community. |
| Date | 23:46:41, November 22, 2006 CET | From | One Cildania Party | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | Gun ownership has proven to have strong correlation with death from guns amongst ordinary citizens. Tighter gun controls will allow the country to better ensure guns don't get into the hands of the wrong people and lead to disastrous restuls |
| Date | 00:15:51, November 23, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | This proposal will ensure that firearms are ONLY in the hands of the wrong people! Criminals do not obey laws (thats why they are criminals...). |
| Date | 14:51:27, November 23, 2006 CET | From | One Cildania Party | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | So arming the public is the way to stop crime? I'm not sure that flies with me... |
| Date | 15:07:51, November 23, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | So its better for criminals to have weapons and honest citizens to have none? Does the OCP believe that people have a right to self-defence? |
| Date | 15:50:28, November 23, 2006 CET | From | One Cildania Party | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | The OCP congratualtes the MPC on their complete faith in the Cildanian Police Force and other services that deal with criminals and help to keep them under control. The OCP does believe in self-defence, but it is when this line is blurred and people start taking the law into their own hands that we have trouble. |
| Date | 01:13:18, November 24, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | We do have faith in the Provincial Police Forces, but we have even more faith in the Cildanian People! The Law has always been in the Peoples hands, that they have chosen to delegate some of its function to government agencies, does not remove or supercede their own rights. When people STOP taking the law into their own hands, then we have real problems. |
| Date | 04:18:58, November 24, 2006 CET | From | One Cildania Party | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | Shoot the children. Anyone else sick of high school massacres from too lax gun laws? Where do the other parties stand on gun ownership? I believe it is a little bit of internal hypicrosy for gun ownership to be rife in a neutral country. A little too Cold War Detente-esque feeling within the country (let;s not shoot each other because we both have guns) for me. Other thoughts? |
| Date | 11:05:15, November 24, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | It pains us deeply to see the OCP trying to make political capital out of tragedies like this. However, we believe both that the current provision: "as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality." suffice, and that the presence of armed citizens could well reduce both the number and severity of such incidents. |
| Date | 13:38:11, November 24, 2006 CET | From | One Cildania Party | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | It is not making political capital when a party tries to address an issue within society - that's called politics. A large majority of the persons involved in these tragedies have no history - so the OCP doesn't believe the argument stands. Also, the logic that more guns = less gun incidents is a struggling logical step... |
| Date | 04:39:58, November 25, 2006 CET | From | Divine Party of the Republic | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | The vast majority of gun related injuries are accidental, and do not involve criminals. We have yet to see any evidence that guns prevent crime. We also point out that an "armed society" increases the number of crimes of passion in which guns are used. |
| Date | 06:31:27, November 25, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | We would like to return, for a moment, to an earlier argument of the OCP which we had overlooked.responding to. The bizarre belief of the OCP that, neutrality for Cildania and widespread firearm ownership are somehow incompatible. This is not the case, the OCP vision of neutrality is one of weakness, of a country unable to defend itself, of a country unable to stand up to aggressors, of a country leaving in fear! This is the same future they want for the people of Cildania, people unable to defend themselves or their neighbours, each waiting passively till they become the next victim! We believe that neutrality should come from strength and self-reliance, and those are qualities that the Cildanian people have in abundance. The thing about detente, is that it worked! |
| Date | 06:39:58, November 25, 2006 CET | From | Mutualist Party of Cildania | To | Debating the Gun Safety Act |
| Message | To the DPR: Accidental injuries happen from a wide range of objects, banning things because they may accidently harm someone would result in very few things left unbanned. Yes, by lessening the availability of firearms there would be fewer instances of their use in 'crimes of passion', however, given the nature of crimes of passion, people would use whatever is to hand eg knives, bricks, broken bottles etc We doubt it would reduce the number and severity of such crimes at all. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 78 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 273 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 74 |
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